Fight Designs & Class Balancement - Why everything is wrong and favors Melee Fantasy

[Wyssahtyn]

huh. those posts got removed. i guess that means that mods do exist on this subforum.

[ChaozK]

You still do about 10% more DPS than RDM, I think you can take this one L on that and still do 10% more DPS because Melee is easy.

I wished this hyperbole would stop as it does nothing but make other ranged dps that dont know better angry.
First off all, not every melee is as strong as MNK and not every ranged dps is as bad as MCH and even those two are "only" 8.5% apart currently.
If you compare the averages of all Melees and all ranged dps you get to an actual difference of 6.5%.

Not saying that number is ok either but this 10% nonsense needs to stop.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...gregate=amount

[Housinginneed]

I wished this hyperbole would stop as it does nothing but make other ranged dps that dont know better angry.
First off all, not every melee is as strong as MNK and not every ranged dps is as bad as MCH and even those two are "only" 8.5% apart currently.
If you compare the averages of all Melees and all ranged dps you get to an actual difference of 6.5%.

Not saying that number is ok either but this 10% nonsense needs to stop.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...gregate=amount

Pretty sure the this entire topic is arising from the p8s dps check, so maybe you should look at that fflog instead.
Those are also the people closest to current BiS so it would make a better estimate of how things will turn out for the casual raiders down the line.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...amount&boss=86

Then look at the logs of people who actually finished p8s

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...amount&boss=87

The gap gets even wider and those are probably among the best players at each of their jobs.

[ChaozK]

P8s is skewed because groups will have funneled weapons into melees, which will shrink once all ranged get their weapons. The average of all abyssos fights is a more fair comparison imho.

[SaberMaxwell]

P8s is skewed because groups will have funneled weapons into melees, which will shrink once all ranged get their weapons. The average of all abyssos fights is a more fair comparison imho.

People funnel savage weapon drops to melees, not tome weapon drops.

Weapon drops all, I might remind, still get factored into aggregates across all the fights.

[Housinginneed]

P8s is skewed because groups will have funneled weapons into melees, which will shrink once all ranged get their weapons. The average of all abyssos fights is a more fair comparison imho.

I mean, if im going to bring you stats and you're gonna bring me guesses, I don't think we can have a meaningful discussion.
How many of the clear groups do you personally know is funneling gears for melees first? Theres 5000+ clears on dancers alone, this isn't week 1.

[ChaozK]

I mean, if im going to bring you stats and you're gonna bring me guesses, I don't think we can have a meaningful discussion.
How many of the clear groups do you personally know is funneling gears for melees first? Theres 5000+ clears on dancers alone, this isn't week 1.

Well its safe to assume that every serious group will do so, as melees are superior right now.

[Housinginneed]

as melees are superior right now.

at least we can agree on something.

[ChaozK]

Ofc they are, its obvious and they almost always have been. I was just arguing that making a blanket statement about melee to ranged balance being 10% by comparing MCH to MNK is about as honest of an argument as someone claimig the balance is fine by comparing RPR to BLM.

The truth lies in between those two extremes.

[Naizakane]

People funnel savage weapon drops to melees, not tome weapon drops.

People definitely funnel tome weapon drops to melees.