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  1. #21
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    MarieHel's Avatar
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    Izzy Peasy
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dancer Lv 90

    Don't overthink it - It's fun!

    If you need help breaking the ice come to me in-game. Extreme, savage are like a dance. When you know the steps everything will be fine. It takes times but it's fun. And you can stop anytime if you're not feeling it.

    It's sad if you don't give yourself the opportunity.
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  2. #22
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    Coletergeist's Avatar
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    Cin Aamon
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    Diabolos
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    Reaper Lv 100
    I was extremely scared to dip my toes into extreme as well for the first time a few years back. But turns out, it's really fun once you get it down, and now I absolutely look forward to the new ones when to pop up. Extremes are actually very easy once you learn the scripted dance, and now I sort of have been wanting to do whatever the next level is. Not sure if unreal is harder or easier than extreme, but I've also been highly interested in actually getting more involved with savages because extremes have gotten to the point of braindead for me as of late.

    I genuinely believe you'll love it if you tried it! You can make your own parties for a while and in the description you can say that you're dipping your toes into extremes for the first time and wanting to play with like-minded folks and put it down as practice and welcoming new comers who also want to get into extremes, or vets welcome if they are willing to help teach. I promise you, there are tons of others out there rocking in the very same boat as you.
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  3. #23
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    Zanarkand-Ronso's Avatar
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    Johanna Yevon
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    Adamantoise
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    As someone who recently quit doing hard content. A lot of pressure for me is more so on not messing up mechanics as you get more wipes from a single mistake than DPS checks imo.

    If you're the kind of person that gets personally bothered of being a hindrance and you know it takes a huge while to get the patterns to a fight down to a science then I wouldn't recommend it.

    But at the very least, definitely give it a try if you feel like you're up for it! EX and Savage raids arent for everyone.
    I get this Anxiety pretty hard myself.
    I just wanna play and enjoy a game, and I want to enjoy it with others. But then you get those that take it way to seriously and pretty much put you down, and sometimes even try to discourage you from playing "Cause your so bad"
    I hate that feeling, so I avoid it until a whole expansion later when we get better gear, and those types of people are gone.

    I also hate being told to Watch a Video Explaining the fight. Id rather play and learn; from some observations, and to be given tips.
    Working together as a group to overcome the challenge and to learn.
    Watching vids...there is just TO MUCH information to remember, and ill be looking out for a million things that arnt even suppose to happen yet in the 1st Phase
    But if I see it 1st hand in action, I can take the information in better.
    I guess Im a Hands on Learner
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  4. #24
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    Reinha's Avatar
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Odin
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    I also hate being told to Watch a Video Explaining the fight. Id rather play and learn; from some observations, and to be given tips.
    Working together as a group to overcome the challenge and to learn.
    Watching vids...there is just TO MUCH information to remember, and ill be looking out for a million things that arnt even suppose to happen yet in the 1st Phase
    But if I see it 1st hand in action, I can take the information in better.
    I guess Im a Hands on Learner
    I tend to have the video open when I practice. I never remember it all at first, so I go in with a group, wipe to something and let the video play until it explains why we wiped. If I don't figure something out myself (which is often the case) it makes no difference to me if the answer is given by a party member vs a video.
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  5. #25
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Excalibur
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Players can only explain so much in that space. The context videos provide can be very helpful. MTQCapture does the best of the guides as she takes the time to record the actual fight and does a play by play on major mechs. Her videos helped me get over my initial anxiety of stepping into that tier. There's still the process of learning how to move, but there's less of a chance of getting lost in "what just happened?"
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  6. #26
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    Jeeqbit's Avatar
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    Jenova
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by monochrom View Post
    I may be exaggerating but people put a lot of time and practice into perfecting the proper rotations. I feel like i'm up for the challenge, but fear of failure is slowing me down from putting the step forward to try an extreme trial.
    A lot of people try to fight that fear by watching guides on youtube. Just search [content name] guide. The guides explain all the mechanics and how to tackle them. Don't worry if you forget what the guide said, because it will start to come to you when you are doing the mechanic.

    It can reduce anxiety to watch a "sage pov" or "sge pov" clear video of the [content name]. Point of view videos show you how someone clears in real time using your job.

    People also join a [Practice] party in Party Finder. The goal in these parties is to wipe and learn and not necessarily to clear, so everyone is in the same boat as you.

    Make sure to read the description to see what requirements there are. If it says "watch a guide", then watch a guide. If it says "phase 2" or "part 2" or "mechanic name prog" and you aren't up to those parts yet, it's not recommended that you join them.

    When you feel you can get to the boss to the final few % of health consistently, you can join a [Duty Completion] party that says "enrage prog" or "clear party".

    If you have cleared and feel comfortable enough to farm it, you can join a [Duty Complete] party.

    There are a lot of settings that can help with content like this, such as reducing battle effects for the rest of the party, turning on legacy movement and optimizing keybinds. Muscle memory helps a lot. The fights are mostly a fixed script, so if you just keep doing it, you will instinctively know which mechanic is coming next and be able to react in advance.
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    Last edited by Jeeqbit; 09-10-2022 at 04:47 AM.

  7. #27
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    Lunalepsy's Avatar
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    Yxiah Eruyt
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by monochrom View Post
    Since i joined FFXIV in 2015, I've always seen extreme raids and trials as the final boss of ffxiv. I saw other people talk about them, and how rewarding it is when you complete it, but as I am slowly finishing EW, I haven't done any extreme trial from any expansion which stems from fear of failure as a healer main and lack of good mechanics in terms of movement. I feel like i'll just make a bunch of mistakes causing a wipe and just make people give up on me and end the trial.

    I may be exaggerating but people put a lot of time and practice into perfecting the proper rotations. I feel like i'm up for the challenge, but fear of failure is slowing me down from putting the step forward to try an extreme trial.

    Is this a common fear/concern amongst people who rally up for extreme queues. I think I need to get out of my own head but im curious to know what you Eorzeans think.
    Happy to chat and encourage discussions centered around Extreme/unreal difficulty.
    You'll never be. You gotta take the risk!
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  8. #28
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    XmissionsX's Avatar
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    Wighard Marcellos
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 90
    I also avoid the extreme’s and savage, and understand your hesitation, mostly in my case it’s because I am smn on console and am probably the only one in the party with no knowledge of my dps. The anxiety got worse when smn dropped a lot in dps compared to other classes.

    I just really don’t like to be kept in the dark if I pull my weight, it’s a weird system only allowing a part of the party to clearly analyse what I am doing but not providing the same system on console.

    I still have no clue if I do ok as I have to rely on the off change someone logs my dps and rotation so I can check if I am missing something in my rotation and my dps is not way to low.
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    EQ, EQ2, Darkfall, hardcore MMORPG player. After 15 year break returning as a casual player taking it slow this time.

  9. #29
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    Jeeqbit's Avatar
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    Jenova
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by XmissionsX View Post
    I just really don’t like to be kept in the dark if I pull my weight, it’s a weird system only allowing a part of the party to clearly analyse what I am doing but not providing the same system on console.

    I still have no clue if I do ok as I have to rely on the off change someone logs my dps and rotation so I can check if I am missing something in my rotation and my dps is not way to low.
    You don't really need to know your damage. Many people don't, actually, but they still clear them.

    One of the things you can do is the striking dummy that is released for each extreme and savage. If you unlock Stone, Sky, Sea at Idyllshire then you can unlock the version in Radz-at-Han as well and it is available at Palaka's Stand. It's not going to tell you if your DPS is great, but if you beat it, then there probably isn't a major problem with your rotation or your gear. The more time remaining when you beat it, the better.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
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  10. #30
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    Tlachtga Ereshkigal
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by monochrom View Post
    Since i joined FFXIV in 2015, I've always seen extreme raids and trials as the final boss of ffxiv. I saw other people talk about them, and how rewarding it is when you complete it, but as I am slowly finishing EW, I haven't done any extreme trial from any expansion which stems from fear of failure as a healer main and lack of good mechanics in terms of movement. I feel like i'll just make a bunch of mistakes causing a wipe and just make people give up on me and end the trial.

    I may be exaggerating but people put a lot of time and practice into perfecting the proper rotations. I feel like i'm up for the challenge, but fear of failure is slowing me down from putting the step forward to try an extreme trial.

    Is this a common fear/concern amongst people who rally up for extreme queues. I think I need to get out of my own head but im curious to know what you Eorzeans think.
    Happy to chat and encourage discussions centered around Extreme/unreal difficulty.
    I was exactly the same back in HW. eventually i just jumped into Sophia Ex PF prog. and saw that a lot of people in there didn't even put in half the effort i put in lol

    i soon realised that they're not even that bad and felt kinda sad that i skipped trying Thordan Ex, Seph Ex, Nidhogg Ex and Midas on release out of some fear of people requiring perfection and me not being good enough.

    Ex trials aren't generally that hard. they have low dps checks and can be cleared by people who aren't amazing at the game, or in a group with quite a few deaths. its by design.

    PFs labelled as learning parties from start are a good first step; they generally have very low expectations on progression, no one is expecting much out of these honestly. there's a ton of text and video resources out there too. use one or the other (or both) as supplement and just try it out in practice.

    as a healer, you generally wanna remember where the damage spikes are, and plan your cooldowns around that. there's timelines out there that give the exact second mechanics and dmg happens, which can help immensely with cd plans.
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