Poor Savage reward system

[Raoabolic]

I realize forums can very quickly transition into an echo chamber of complaining, and people can get out of hand with their reactions to problems they experience, but the entire point of feedback is to point out problems so that they can be addressed, not to trash the developers for reasons XYZ.

One person's feedback is another dev's harassment. lol

[dspguy]

I raided in ARR when there were no "tokens", "pages" or "manifestos." If something didn't drop for your job, out of luck. Or if someone did drop for your job but the other tank/healer took it... out of luck.

The system in place now is much better, but not perfect. The pages at least gives you progress, even if the gear you want doesn't drop. The gotchas to that are the tomestone upgrade pieces. However, in theory, you can get the same ilvl gear from the pages anyway. And BiS is nice, but let's be honest with ourselves. If you already are clearing P8S, what are the drops in P8S going to do for you at this point?

[Ransu]

Its either loot lockout or content lockout. Lockouts in most MMO's outright lock you out of the instance once you clear it and you can't run it anymore. FFXIV system is the better of the two allowing people to help other players clear even if it means only getting 1 chest.

The current system is perfectly fine.

[Jaquan]

I raided in ARR when there were no "tokens", "pages" or "manifestos." If something didn't drop for your job, out of luck. Or if someone did drop for your job but the other tank/healer took it... out of luck.

The system in place now is much better, but not perfect. The pages at least gives you progress, even if the gear you want doesn't drop. The gotchas to that are the tomestone upgrade pieces. However, in theory, you can get the same ilvl gear from the pages anyway. And BiS is nice, but let's be honest with ourselves. If you already are clearing P8S, what are the drops in P8S going to do for you at this point?

To be perfectly fair they do make clearing P8S or whatever tier easier on subsequent attempts (although subsequent stacks of Echo we'll get overtime will also help) although i agree with the sentiment. Even more so since by the time next tier rolls out the crafted gear will once again catch up in terms of stats required for the final tier.

[ty_taurus]

One person's feedback is another dev's harassment. lol

Then don't go into an industry that produces public media, or join a team of designers working on a live service game that consumers pay a monthly subscription to. You can't just take every piece of feedback as harassment. That's simply, factually untrue.

We pay for this game to continue its service. If a system does not feel fair or well balanced, it's not greedy to want change. We may not be entitled to that change, but we are entitled to address it. Telling people they're being greedy or harassing the development team for having a discussion about a flawed system is irrational and in poor taste. Fact.

[DrWho2010]

sure we are entitled to address this problem. I still don't believe we are going to get any change to the system.

[AwesomeJr44]

For a moment, let's placate the white knights and just assume that SE is really happy with this current system (for whatever reason) and doesn't want to make any large changes to it. (Meaning we can't ask for sweeping changes)

Sure. Ok. But answer me this:

Why can't I join P5S PF parties for practice without sabotaging their loot because I've already cleared this week with my static? I'm not looking for an extra book or more loot, I just wanna practice in PF. But if I've already cleared, I either am told that I'm not welcome because I've already cleared and thus the party would get less loot, or the party does welcome me in and they all get barely anything out of clearing the raid because I have a clear this week. Just make it where I can't roll on loot or get a book if I've already cleared that week, but my 'cleared' status doesn't impact other people. This is a tiny change that gives HUGE QoL.

Its either loot lockout or content lockout. Lockouts in most MMO's outright lock you out of the instance once you clear it and you can't run it anymore. FFXIV system is the better of the two allowing people to help other players clear even if it means only getting 1 chest.

The current system is perfectly fine.

"Other MMOs are worse, so this barely passable system is perfectly fine."

[baklava151]

And BiS is nice, but let's be honest with ourselves. If you already are clearing P8S, what are the drops in P8S going to do for you at this point?

Well this patch will be different since Criterion dungeons will supposedly need BiS and those are dropping in 6.25.

[VerdeLuck]

This content is supposed to last 16 weeks. It's intentional that it takes longer to get than normal mode gear, because normal mode gear will slowly be replaced by tome gear (12 weeks for the whole set), whereas savage gear is not getting replaced by anything that's more time gated. You can also supplement savage gear with upgraded tome gear and use excess tomes to gear up alts.

Upgraded tome gear also has to be won from drops in savage and has the same issue.

[Reinha]

Why can't I join P5S PF parties for practice without sabotaging their loot because I've already cleared this week with my static? I'm not looking for an extra book or more loot, I just wanna practice in PF.

You can practice in 0 chest parties which there are plenty of. The chest penalty is an incentive to play with people who have not yet cleared so they have a chance to clear as well. If chests were not reduced, there would be an incentive to only play with people who have already cleared that week.