Many Savage PFs are barring PLD and WAR, anyone know what's going on?

[Elizasylen]

I see a lot of PFs locking Tank roles to DRK and GNB. Something wrong with PLD and WAR?

[Darkstride]

Can't say from experience, but probably just due to the higher DPS on DRK and GNB.

[Azuri]

Because they are behind enough on dps to legitimately be a detriment to the group.

[Absimiliard]

Wonder how long before WAR groups start rolling out again. Bit of a pattern there. WARs get denied savage groups, they start doing 8-mans.... And it works.

[Derio]

Because their dps are not doing enough damage so they are depending on the small difference in tank dps to compensate for their shortcomings.

[Liam_Harper]

P8S is a very tight enrage check.

Groups want to clear. Dps is extremely important by developer design. Even if the group is good enough, they have no room for small slip ups or mistakes, thus a PLD/WAR decreases their chance of success. Imagine having a 0 death run and you wipe because of one damage down or someone forgot a pot, but if you brought a GNB/DRK you'd be clear. No reason not to.

[Undeadfire]

A good example > Xenosys switched to GNB from WAR in P8S, passed the dps check with 2 damage downs, think that for a moment.

Pld and War need meta DPS to carry their load P8S requires. I've cleared the fight, I've had to go Drk just to make the check.

[Absimiliard]

I'm beginning to think they may be planning to relegate PLD and WAR to dungeon tanks while GNB and DRK dominate in a raid environment. Unfortunately for PLD, this effectively would mean it has no reason to exist, because nobody in their right mind is going to pick it in its current state over WAR when the not!mythics come out. I really hope I don't turn out to be right about this.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

I'm beginning to think they may be planning to relegate PLD and WAR to dungeon tanks while GNB and DRK dominate in a raid environment. Unfortunately for PLD, this effectively would mean it has no reason to exist, because nobody in their right mind is going to pick it in its current state over WAR when the not!mythics come out. I really hope I don't turn out to be right about this.

Except that is a contradiction to their ethos of any job and any comp can clear any content....safe to say SE actually screwed up and the imbalance is finally showing how bad it is, was already pointed out last tier when the DPS was easier but people brushed it off with excuses for PLD being behind in DPS...just an fyi there is no justification for tanks to not be outputting the same amount of DPS. Let's hope SE have got a wake up call, so PLD, WAR and other jobs that need some love finally get it.

[Rithy255]

Except that is a contradiction to their ethos of any job and any comp can clear any content....safe to say SE actually screwed up and the imbalance is finally showing how bad it is, was already pointed out last tier when the DPS was easier but people brushed it off with excuses for PLD being behind in DPS...just an fyi there is no justification for tanks to not be outputting the same amount of DPS. Let's hope SE have got a wake up call, so PLD, WAR and other jobs that need some love finally get it.

Paladin at least has been getting consistent buffs quite a lot, warrior got one during 6.2 they're likely on the right track, I think with warrior especially they didn't wanna overtune it with the new crit changes, Paladin needs some general fundamental fixes ontop of outputting a lot more while warrior generally just needs more potency buffs. I don't think SE is intending for both jobs to be "low dps tanks" I do think they generally wanna push gnb and drk as the slightly higher ones this expansion but that's me doing some guess work (also warrior shouldn't be top dps in its current state, but should be way higher then it is now, way way way more closer it should hardly be a difference).

I think for the new dugeon system they have to consider some tank changes before 6.25 comes out, Warrior clearly is overtuned in dugeons while dark knight might suffer a bit from depending on the damage from pulls, They will all perform passable for bosses in the tanking department, We have no clue on enrage and how much you would need a tank that does more dps. Dugeon balancing (even when higher dugeon content is out) comes second to raids, but I do think their needs to be quite a big list of changes.