Tales from the Dawn

[thegreatonemal]

I think that the attempts to try and claim that the Ancients 'needed' or 'deserved' to go the way of the dodo due to their grasp of creation magics is just eugenics by another name. If the claim is that powerful beings are somehow deserving of genocide then that strikes me as very strange. Not in the least because it could easily be applied to many other powerful beings in the setting if the precedent is established but also because this is a fantasy setting and eradicating the fantasy elements strikes me as...counterproductive?

If we replace 'creation magics' with any other trait such as hair or skin colour then perhaps that will enlighten others here to what, exactly, they are arguing in favour of?

At any rate, it also ignores the simple fact that Venat stood by with knowledge of the Final Days and yet chose to allow it to happen. This is often strangely ignored when trying to lean on the trauma and mental scars angle as a justification for why the Ancients were supposedly a lost cause.

We see during the Garlemald segment a very difference stance, where even those defiantly resistant to the destruction going on all around them are treated with dignity and respect. As well as not simply being wiped out in order to prevent further problems in the future.

Which is the heart of the matter for many, it seems. The protagonists would not accept being wiped out no matter the reasoning - so there's really no viable reason for any other race to accept such a fate for either themselves, their civilisation or especially their loved ones.

No one is saying this. The vast majority of the ancients were on a course that would have ensure their world's, their own lives, and the universe's(no one knew at the time) death with no rebirth. In order to stop them the sundering was used. This has nothing to do with them deserving to go. This is they have to be stopped from their present course before they kill us all.

The moment Meteion escaped was the moment the final days were set to happen. They had no way of getting to her and Zodiark is their only real solution, to stop their world from dying right on the spot. I think you misremembered the order of events.

The Garleans are a different matter, had it not been for Zenos and Fandaniel the original plan was to invade from the east and west liberating the nations the empire has conquered. Wouldn't have been a kill them all type deal but the humanitarian aid mission that we ended up doing would most likely be for the nations liberated, not for the Garleans.

Again, no one is saying that they had to accept it, there was a fight and they lost. Had they won, we all die.