Development Team: PLEASE PLAY YOUR OWN PVP

[Dreadz]

That stems from the community perception of it being the best. Which is why it had such a low win rate and why the buffs should not have been so massive. That was a clear over compensation

The low winrate could also be attributed to having vastly more players than the other healers. A 40y line aoe that stuns, damages and gives HoT every minute is extremely powerful, especially when it's compounded with the terrible level design.

[MonteCristo]

That stems from the community perception of it being the best. Which is why it had such a low win rate and why the buffs should not have been so massive. That was a clear over compensation

And this is exactly why they should not be factoring in win rates

[Karasio]

The low winrate could also be attributed to having vastly more players than the other healers. A 40y line aoe that stuns, damages and gives HoT every minute is extremely powerful, especially when it's compounded with the terrible level design.

Oh yeah I wasn't defending it or anything. Didn't finish my point but ye, having the community at large think WHM is the best lead to it having by far the largest playerbase, which in turn lead to a much lower win rate as not everyone can pilot the class at a high level or whatever issues may arise.

And this is exactly why they should not be factoring in win rates

Factoring in win rates is important IF you also include the pick rates, compare them and shit. It'd be like going saying one character is overpowered because it has a 56% win rate, but then neglecting to mention something like a .2% pick rate or something. There's more to analyzing this than just win rates, and I don't doubt SE has access to this data so it's mind boggling why they couldn't come to this conclusion.

[Towa-Musa]

Please take some time and play your own pvp mode before making any more balance updates. If you still think its ok..please put pride to the side and contract out from an experienced pvp development team. At this rate CC will not thrive 6 months from now. There is still time to fix this before interest dissipates and pvp goes back to being completely dead like it has been for years outside of frontline.

Yes, they need to play their own pvp more and not just CC.

[RyuDragnier]

AST and SCH were better than WHM. WHM was just a walking Imp every 30s meanwhile other jobs actually had more than 1 function

SCH is absolutely useless if you don't have a team. You can put a 10% HP shield with a damage buff on allies, a 10% damage down with a DoT on enemies, lower enemy healing by 25%, and lower damage taken by 10%. That's it. You can't burst anything, you can't do anything by yourself. You can buff your team and debuff the enemy team, but if your teammates are useless, that's it, you've lost, because there isn't anything more you can do for them. I saw it all the time while climbing up the ranks last Season, where I did everything right but would lose time and time again because my allies were incapable of targeting the same foe, finishing weaker opponents, or aiming at problem players (I saw so many people ignore the casters). SCH could only help if you had decent or good players on your team, and most of the time you did not or did not have enough of them compared to the enemies. The nerf to SCH's support was completely unwarranted.

[Osmond]

SCH is absolutely useless if you don't have a team. You can put a 10% HP shield with a damage buff on allies, a 10% damage down with a DoT on enemies, lower enemy healing by 25%, and lower damage taken by 10%. That's it. You can't burst anything, you can't do anything by yourself. You can buff your team and debuff the enemy team, but if your teammates are useless, that's it, you've lost, because there isn't anything more you can do for them. I saw it all the time while climbing up the ranks last Season, where I did everything right but would lose time and time again because my allies were incapable of targeting the same foe, finishing weaker opponents, or aiming at problem players (I saw so many people ignore the casters). SCH could only help if you had decent or good players on your team, and most of the time you did not or did not have enough of them compared to the enemies. The nerf to SCH's support was completely unwarranted.

That’s what I also conclude about SCH, but that job is very strong by other players. That job is solely dependent on 4 other players in order to win the match. Now it’s nerfed because “high win rate” …….I wondered what their response is? The players who said SCH is too strong because dot spread and shields….which can be easily countered. Because now SCH are MORE useless to have in party comp.

[MonteCristo]

Yes, they need to play their own pvp more and not just CC.

Ur right i should have emphasized that as well

[MonteCristo]

Is anyone aware of how the Japanese pvp forums are responding thus far?

[Kaliesto]

Everything about PVP is a tragedy, and including the removed maps they constantly refuse to bring back.

Taking away gameplay options is bad, like why does Rival Wings always have to be that one map? They locked the other one for years now.

What the hell gives? What the hell is going on over there?

[Divinemights]

Is anyone aware of how the Japanese pvp forums are responding thus far?

If you are expecting drama, there is none
Their discussion is civil , progressive, and to the point
They certainly won’t insult (but it is also part of their culture, but it would be different in JP 4ch) dev team or use topic like this one