Some jobs aren’t well-balanced in dungeons

[WaxSw]

The game is simply not balanced with dungeons in mind due to the presence of heavy AoE, raid buffs being designed in the context of 8 player party and the wider skill spectrum normal mode dungeons have over high end duties. This is not a problem because dungeons rarely push any job to the point no other member in the party can't compensate, by design, so there is never a situation of a job being "too difficult to meet the requirements to clear" since the bar to clear is at ground level.

Criterion dungeons "may" need to balance some things especially if dps is a metric as important as in savage but its too early to say anything about that yet

Where are you getting the idea SCH is inefficient in dungeons, SCH is arguably better in dungeons than raids where even in raids it’s the strongest healer because ED doesn’t matter in trash packs so you have unlimited access to excog, sacred soil and lustrate, SCH with complete access to every heal in its toolkit has a terrifying amount of healing plus its AOE spam spell does a massive amount of damage for a healer

Sch while having the strongest AoE GCD isn't strong enough to compensate for its lack of AoE damage cooldowns and its raid debuff is only applied to one enemy which has a lot less value in AoE scenarios + ED being single target not only means Aetherflow healing as Sch still implies a dps loss but doesn't give that much of a gain over things like Missery so... I guess that's why the OP said that? Weird that they mention Sch and not Ast which is the weakest dungeon healer while Sch even with all the previous things isn't that much behind the top 2

[Supersnow845]

The game is simply not balanced with dungeons in mind due to the presence of heavy AoE, raid buffs being designed in the context of 8 player party and the wider skill spectrum normal mode dungeons have over high end duties. This is not a problem because dungeons rarely push any job to the point no other member in the party can't compensate, by design, so there is never a situation of a job being "too difficult to meet the requirements to clear" since the bar to clear is at ground level.

Criterion dungeons "may" need to balance some things especially if dps is a metric as important as in savage but its too early to say anything about that yet



Sch while having the strongest AoE GCD isn't strong enough to compensate for its lack of AoE damage cooldowns and its raid debuff is only applied to one enemy which has a lot less value in AoE scenarios + ED being single target not only means Aetherflow healing as Sch still implies a dps loss but doesn't give that much of a gain over things like Missery so... I guess that's why the OP said that? Weird that they mention Sch and not Ast which is the weakest dungeon healer while Sch even with all the previous things isn't that much behind the top 2

SCH exceeds WHM in 90% of pulls (the only pull it’s weaker than WHM is a very short pull where they dump a misery) but yeah it’s weaker than SGE because SGE has three AOE DPS gain skills over dyskrasia while SCH has none and SCH’s extra damage abilities as you say scale horribly in dungeons

But yeah if you want to mention bad dungeon scaling for healers AST is 100% the one you want to discuss

[Nizzi]

Sch while having the strongest AoE GCD isn't strong enough to compensate for its lack of AoE damage cooldowns and its raid debuff is only applied to one enemy which has a lot less value in AoE scenarios

Give SCH the PvP Deployment Tactics Bane already SE you cowards, it would at least give SCH 2 AoE DPS abilities instead of 1 and nobody is using Deployment Tactics in dungeon trash pulls anyways

[Tlamila]

Give SCH the PvP Deployment Tactics Bane already SE you cowards, it would at least give SCH 2 AoE DPS abilities instead of 1 and nobody is using Deployment Tactics in dungeon trash pulls anyways

SCH used to have an aoe dot from what I recall, wasn't it Virus? They deleted it.
Just like they removed Aero 3 (also aoe dot) from WHM.
I'll never understand it.

[Supersnow845]

SCH used to have an aoe dot from what I recall, wasn't it Virus? They deleted it.
Just like they removed Aero 3 (also aoe dot) from WHM.
I'll never understand it.

SCH used to have bane which spread its DOT’s, shadowflare was naturally AOE though, virus reduced strength and dexterity

[Tlamila]

SCH used to have bane which spread its DOT’s, shadowflare was naturally AOE though, virus reduced strength and dexterity

My bad, I got confused, I never played SCH much.
In any case they did have those things and hav them removed, even more than I remembered, no dice getting them back. Very sad.

[Mikey_R]

SCH used to have an aoe dot from what I recall, wasn't it Virus? They deleted it.
Just like they removed Aero 3 (also aoe dot) from WHM.
I'll never understand it.

You are thinking of Miasma 2. It was a GCD, Instant cast AoE centred around the caster. The Dot potency was really weak, with the potency per GCD on a single target being less than Ruin.

[HyonaCookie]

Sch while having the strongest AoE GCD isn't strong enough to compensate for its lack of AoE damage cooldowns and its raid debuff is only applied to one enemy which has a lot less value in AoE scenarios + ED being single target not only means Aetherflow healing as Sch still implies a dps loss but doesn't give that much of a gain over things like Missery so... I guess that's why the OP said that? Weird that they mention Sch and not Ast which is the weakest dungeon healer while Sch even with all the previous things isn't that much behind the top 2

I don't really like playing Astro in dungeons because I don't like switching targets so much during trash pulls. Also I haven't run into comments about ppl finding AST hard in dungeons. It's always about scholar, and sometimes sage. I just think the amount of effort that you sometimes need to heal with scholar doesn't make a good impression on people who are new to the job.

[Supersnow845]

I don't really like playing Astro in dungeons because I don't like switching targets so much during trash pulls. Also I haven't run into comments about ppl finding AST hard in dungeons. It's always about scholar, and sometimes sage. I just think the amount of effort that you sometimes need to heal with scholar doesn't make a good impression on people who are new to the job.

That’s because people try to play shield healers like a WHM, the shield healers are the stronger dungeon healers but you actually have to organise your healing in advance, you can’t just spam adlo when things go south