Summoner changes that should happen onto 7.0

[fulminating]

At level 90 it plays like a slightly less involved healer. This is completely unacceptable on a dps, and really shows that there is something fundamentally wrong with their approach to the rework, particularly with how poorly shadowbringers' healer rotations have been recieved.

[Ayden]

Otherwise I totally agree removing mechanics that used to come with our CLASS and give them back at 86 is just shockingly bad game design

The rework should have been:

lv60 Summon Bahamut
lv60 Astral Impulse
lv60 Astral Flare
lv60 Astral Flow
lv60 Deathflare
lv60 Wyrmwave
lv60 Enkindle Bahamut
lv60 Akh Morn

lv70 Crimson Cyclone
lv70 Crimson Strike
lv70 Mountain Buster
lv70 Slipstream

lv80 Summon Phoenix
lv80 Fountain of Fire
lv80 Brand of Purgatory
lv80 Everlasting Flight
lv80 Rekindle
lv80 Scarlet Flame
lv80 Enkindle Phoenix
lv80 Revelation

lv86 SOMETHING NEW

lv90 Summon II

[SweetPete]

We honestly should of gotten all of the elements. Holding Shiva, Leviathan and Ramuh back until 7.0 is really strange to me. If that’s the only upgrade we get at level 100 allot of players will be livid. The only saving grace is if they also give us a new Demi-primal to summon. Alexander perhaps.

[fulminating]

They can add as many elemental summons and demisummons as they like and it still won't make the job remotely enjoyable. Quite possibly less because they'll either go unused for lacking damage or because they're just another skin on the homogenous slurry that they're serving.

[aveyond-dreams]

It has been explained to you multiple times why and how adding new summons will provide people the meaningful decision making they’ve been looking for along with fulfilling the job fantasy that while somewhat there, is still presently lacking when compared to the Summoner of FFXI or other games. In order to proceed with this discussion in a more productive manner, it is best to take solution-oriented approach.

[fulminating]

I think you'll find that the foot is on the other shoe here: you have this absurd enforced 2 minute rotation which is 2 demis and 2x3 crayon regurgitation. If you had say 6 primals it would either be bahamut [garuda/titan/ifrit] phoenix [shiva/ramuh/that forgettable one] or eg bahamut [ramuh/titan/shiva] phoenix [ramuh/titan/shiva]. With another demi, all that can and will change is the appearance of the pet briefly summoned. There is no meaning nor decision making to be had in the job as it stands, nor will there be without a complete change of course in the dev team's design priorities.

New summoner is dead on arrival. Without yet another severe rework it has no room for growth - the leveling rotation perhaps underlining this better than I could ever hope to articulate.

[aveyond-dreams]

I no longer care to repeat myself by restating the ways that I and others have described in which we don’t have to follow that rigid roadmap without upending the job in its entirety. You had every opportunity to go about things in a more open minded manner and discuss ways in which the job could be improved but you have chosen against doing just that. I’m finished interacting with you and hope that at some point the class that you want is added to the game, though not at the cost of new Summoner.

[fulminating]

The job I want added to the game is old summoner.

[Supersnow845]

I no longer care to repeat myself by restating the ways that I and others have described in which we don’t have to follow that rigid roadmap without upending the job in its entirety. You had every opportunity to go about things in a more open minded manner and discuss ways in which the job could be improved but you have chosen against doing just that. I’m finished interacting with you and hope that at some point the class that you want is added to the game, though not at the cost of new Summoner.

The single comment I can find from you that doesn’t involve arguing with me about weather poison magic does or doesn’t belong on summoner simply says “nothing Moogle related” so can you please explain how we are supposed to avoid this rigid two minute rotation that ends up coming down to which order we eat our crayons in

[aveyond-dreams]

Adding new effects or abilities to Astral Flow however can offer more uniqueness per Summon and if we get the option to choose a select 3 out of more options, that will provide far more in the way of meaningful decision making.

There you go. And for the last time, no poison magic does not belong on Summoner. If that's the sort of gameplay you're into then go ask for Time Mage or Necromancer. Leave us alone already.