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    Quote Originally Posted by Brinne View Post
    You know, I've always wondered where Endwalker draws the line in terms of "when do we make life too good and when is it bad to keep trying to make things better, necessitating a Great Reset and inflicting widespread suffering" but I guess Cookingway outlines it right there! Continuing to seek to eliminate negativity after "fulfilling the basic requirements for survival" is folly. Message understood, returning to caves.
    It’s bad when the choice you have is between killing yourself or letting go of paradise.. Which is what happens when there’s nothing left to build, nothing new to experience and nowhere that brings you joy. Live long enough and everything will lose its luster. What does a dog do when it’s caught the car?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus View Post
    Cookingway equates "progress" with "pursuit of perfection" and concludes that the solution is to "be content with what we have".

    Again, the problem with Endwalker is that it wants to conclude that both Meaning 1 "Perfection is impossible" and Meaning 2 "Perfection is inherently bad" are the same thing. The theme of the game is a massive Perfect Solution Fallacy: "perfection is impossible, so don't bother".
    You’re misrepresenting their statement. They don’t equate perfection with progress, they say that living beings incorrectly associate perfection with progress, and in so doing create their own demise.

    Further, Cookingway then immediately states that perfection is impossible, ala the “immaculate carrot.” How is it logical to interpret Cookingways message as saying perfection is possible and bad, when he directly states that perfection is a paradox?

    Once again, Endwalkers message is only contradictory if you believe that a group of civilizations that killed themselves because of the worlds they made can be called “perfect.”

    Quote Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus View Post
    Sadly, you don't have to be a psychopath or a sociopath to glorify or celebrate the suffering of yourself or others. For example, there's a lot of mainstream worldviews which readily see forcing oneself or others to struggle, suffer or even die as being good and any attempt to lessen or stop them as being inherently bad.
    I don’t have to see struggle as a good thing and still believe it necessary for good to flourish. Winning at a competition only feels good if you know you could’ve lost. Is losing a bad thing? I’d say so.
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    Last edited by EaraGrace; 08-04-2022 at 07:14 AM.

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