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  1. #81
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    Raim's Avatar
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    Raim Surion
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    It is punitive. But I don't care. I already have a plot, but I'd love to see excess plots taken away from people who were otherwise grandfathered in with multiple. Just because something is legal doesn't make it moral, and SE should risk upsetting these greedy owners because it will be a net good for the community. You might say "You wouldn't be saying this if you were in their shoes." Probably, but I wouldn't have done what they did in the first place even given the opportunity. Just because you 'can' do something doesn't mean you should.
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  2. #82
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    Drakengarde's Avatar
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    Grayfia Astaroth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raim View Post
    It is punitive. But I don't care. I already have a plot, but I'd love to see excess plots taken away from people who were otherwise grandfathered in with multiple. Just because something is legal doesn't make it moral, and SE should risk upsetting these greedy owners because it will be a net good for the community. You might say "You wouldn't be saying this if you were in their shoes." Probably, but I wouldn't have done what they did in the first place even given the opportunity. Just because you 'can' do something doesn't mean you should.
    I am one of those people who were grandfathered in for plots. Initially plots were for fc only until they initated personal later on down the line and plots were in abundance heck you had larges in the wild in the early days of FF. Moral or not which is up for debate; during the time when things were different people should not be punished because of something that was perfectly fine in the past only to change much later in the future. Even the devs have taken the stance of the players "followed the laws of the land" in the past and as such will not punish people because of something they allowed. Even if in theory the devs took away all excess plots from people you would still have a massive shortage and people would still bitch and complain. Only way it can be fixed is to have so many wards that their is an abundance of plots for people to get. And even then people would not be happy because they would complain about "we need more larges! we need more mediums!" people will still find a way to complain about something we both know this to be true.
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  3. #83
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    Konya-wa Hurricane
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raim View Post
    It is punitive. But I don't care. I already have a plot, but I'd love to see excess plots taken away from people who were otherwise grandfathered in with multiple. Just because something is legal doesn't make it moral, and SE should risk upsetting these greedy owners because it will be a net good for the community.
    Or Se could go in a different direction and take plots away from people who have had them the longest and let only newer accounts buy tickets for them. Only fair that people who have had houses for a long time give them up and let others have a chance.
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  4. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladehawk View Post
    Or Se could go in a different direction and take plots away from people who have had them the longest and let only newer accounts buy tickets for them. Only fair that people who have had houses for a long time give them up and let others have a chance.
    How is that even remotely fair. Your concept of fair would be considered unfair by most of the human population.
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  5. #85
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    Erin Ellza
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladehawk View Post
    Or Se could go in a different direction and take plots away from people who have had them the longest and let only newer accounts buy tickets for them. Only fair that people who have had houses for a long time give them up and let others have a chance.
    lol. Just open more wards for everyone. Or give us instanced housing. Or let us upgrade apartments with a balcony. Or let us have a house we can decorate in Island Sanctuary. So many possibilities without hurting house owners.
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  6. #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erinellza View Post
    lol. Just open more wards for everyone. Or give us instanced housing. Or let us upgrade apartments with a balcony. Or let us have a house we can decorate in Island Sanctuary. So many possibilities without hurting house owners.
    Away with you and your common sense. We won't stand for that type of thing here.
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  7. #87
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    Sin Bathory
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drakengarde View Post
    How is that even remotely fair. Your concept of fair would be considered unfair by most of the human population.
    I think the comment was sarcasm lest i hope... We been fighting for so many years for a FIX it gets old..

    Personally i think for me its been 4 years+

    So this getting parts and stuff really dosent work they have known for 4 to 5 years...

    The problem is Yoshi is stuck on this neighborhood thing thats all good they have many houses you can buy in eq2 ain the main city..there basicly appartment doors you just cant deco the outside..till you zone in then in some they have back yard patios and huge open roofs to deco ... EQ2 then went as far as add instance houses heck one of them you can get is the old new player island it is huge where you startedwhen the game first dropped!!!!
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  8. #88
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    Frizze Steeleblaze
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raim View Post
    Just because something is legal doesn't make it moral, and SE should risk upsetting these greedy owners because it will be a net good for the community.
    You say taking two of something when there arent enough for everyone to have one is immoral. I say breaking your promises and going back on your word is immoral. And worse then being immoral, it also shows the community that we can no longer trust you to honor your word. I had plenty of chances to buy an extra house back in the day, i never wanted one. But my personal house is larger then a small. Whos to say that after they take the grandfathered houses(which, again, is around 1% of all houses and the number can only ever go down) they wont say that individuals cant own bigger houses? Bladehawk was being sarcastic, but why not set the next rule that you can only own a house for so long before you need to give it away so everyone gets a chance? Once you start taking, you have no reason to stop.

    Or we could stop scapegoating the players, and get SE to fix the actual problem. Upgrade our instanced housing options so that everyone can have a house(or houses!) that fits their needs.
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  9. #89
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raim View Post
    It is punitive. But I don't care. I already have a plot, but I'd love to see excess plots taken away from people who were otherwise grandfathered in with multiple. Just because something is legal doesn't make it moral, and SE should risk upsetting these greedy owners because it will be a net good for the community. You might say "You wouldn't be saying this if you were in their shoes." Probably, but I wouldn't have done what they did in the first place even given the opportunity. Just because you 'can' do something doesn't mean you should.
    Back when most players had obtained their multiple pots, no one would have seen anything "immoral" about it. The plots were there for the taking on most worlds because they had been sitting vacant for weeks if not months.

    Being on Balmung, you probably never experienced it but I have. Back in 4.2 when SE increased the number of wards by 50%, I got my house and watched my ward sit mostly empty for several weeks. The last plot didn't get purchased until almost the end of the year about 10 months later.

    Morality depends on circumstances at the time, not on how people feel 5 years later because circumstances have changed.
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    Last edited by Jojoya; 07-21-2022 at 03:51 PM.

  10. #90
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    Kurotora Iga
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    Zodiark
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    Signed, it would be the only right thing to do, it is long enough people have been living on an open exploit of the system as it is.

    1 house 1 FC per DC per account it should be limited to.

    Also for eliminating as many shell FC's as well, give 20 days to decide, then they can not just pay someone to go in and take over the FC as you need to be 30 days old in an FC.
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    Last edited by Themarvin; 07-21-2022 at 08:08 PM.

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