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  1. #91
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    Wolwosh's Avatar
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    Ulorin Ardor
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    Zodiark
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Thank god. Now I can mentally prepare for them to ruin my fav job in this game even more and find a new job to raid with in the next expansion.
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  2. #92
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    Themarvin's Avatar
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    Kurotora Iga
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    Zodiark
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    Monk Lv 100
    Other problems has come up and arrived the entire lottery thing for an instance took time out of the calender and the DC travel, so cut them some slack, that did or does not give them more time to work with.
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  3. #93
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    Shikiseki's Avatar
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    Akio Shikimazu
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    Odin
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    Summoner Lv 100
    The only acceptable rework for DRG in my opinion would be adding an aerial combo phase where you jump up and do your aerial stuff then crash down with full force at the end. It would be DRG version of backflip out of aoes and go back in to avoid simple orange ground aoes.

    Not sure what to do with AST other than the card system (make them aoe to reduce target switching for example) it's the fast cast healer type and it would be a shame to slow it down to WHM levels...
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  4. #94
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    IDontPetLalas's Avatar
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    Alinne Seamont
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    Goblin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    It and DRK both need the reworks in 7.0, IMO. To hell with the rework for DRG and AST since neither really need it (AST just needs some buttons merged). But SCH and DRK? They need it, badly.
    AST needs more than "just some buttons merged", it's actually worse off in some ways than SCH. It really wouldn't make sense to overhaul (i.e. make major changes to) SCH alone and not look at the affects or consequences to the other healers, which is why I hope that this is why AST changes are being delayed until 7.0 even though it means living with the present state for a while.
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  5. #95
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    SweetPete's Avatar
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    Princess- Princess
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    Coeurl
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    Alchemist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    It and DRK both need the reworks in 7.0, IMO. To hell with the rework for DRG and AST since neither really need it (AST just needs some buttons merged). But SCH and DRK? They need it, badly.
    I agree with you. I think sch should of been first with the major rework. I don’t play drk at all so I’m mot sure what they need but sch is in bad shape right now. It’s kit doesn't mesh well together. The faerie is weak and the dps is horrible.

    Also with Ast getting a major rework then sch needs to be next since basically sch is suppose to compete with Ast as far as buffs to the party. Since WHM and SGE are the selfish dps healers.
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  6. #96
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    Derio Uzumaki
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    AST does have alot and I mean alot of useless buttons. However at the same time AST is the only healer that doesnt feel super boring in terms of APM.

    DRG is pretty much perfect outside of left eye needing to be changed or combined with litany.

    At this point they should just wait until 7.0 to rework those jobs. AST does need a few QOL now but DRG can wait until 7.0
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  7. #97
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    IDontPetLalas's Avatar
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    Alinne Seamont
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    Goblin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    I agree with you. I think sch should of been first with the major rework. I don’t play drk at all so I’m mot sure what they need but sch is in bad shape right now. It’s kit doesn't mesh well together. The faerie is weak and the dps is horrible.

    Also with Ast getting a major rework then sch needs to be next since basically sch is suppose to compete with Ast as far as buffs to the party. Since WHM and SGE are the selfish dps healers.

    With all due respect, all of your last line is your opinion, which may or may not be based upon the current healer design and may or may not reflect the future healer design changes. I don't see why this would necessarily need to apply in future, depending upon just how far SE wants to go in making healer and potentially other changes - other jobs, encounters- since changes are being delayed to 7.0 that's a possibility.
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  8. #98
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    Just give SCH Miasma and Bane back and Shadow Flare if they're feeling generous and SCH is fine
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  9. #99
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    I agree with you. I think sch should of been first with the major rework. I don’t play drk at all so I’m mot sure what they need but sch is in bad shape right now. It’s kit doesn't mesh well together. The faerie is weak and the dps is horrible.

    Also with Ast getting a major rework then sch needs to be next since basically sch is suppose to compete with Ast as far as buffs to the party. Since WHM and SGE are the selfish dps healers.
    If SCH gone redone again that would be the 3rd (IIRC).
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  10. #100
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    AST needs more than "just some buttons merged", it's actually worse off in some ways than SCH. It really wouldn't make sense to overhaul (i.e. make major changes to) SCH alone and not look at the affects or consequences to the other healers, which is why I hope that this is why AST changes are being delayed until 7.0 even though it means living with the present state for a while.
    SCH is the only healer with 3 capstone abilities that fight each other. You cannot use multiples of them at the same time. Imagine if WHM couldn't use Plenary Indulgence or Temperance while Liturgy of the Bell is out. Or if using Temperance or Plenary cancelled the Liturgy. That is what it's like for SCH. We seal our other abilities when we use one of them, and is the only healer to suffer from this. That's just the tip of the iceberg too.

    Seraph gets different names for Fey Illumination and Whispering Dawn, yet they share the same cooldown and potency as the original ones, meaning useless upgrades. We still have both Eos and Selene, despite them being the same fairy at this point. We are still the only healer screwed if we die right after using our class mechanic, because we have to wait up to 50s until it comes off cooldown (Aetherflow) before we can use ANY of our big heals. SCH is by far the one healer that needs the most changes in this game, and it's insulting to have it ignored for AST YET AGAIN, FOR THE SECOND EXPANSION IN A ROW.
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