Yoshi-P: Flippant dismissal of player criticism is a poor look for a lead developer.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I like how these yoshi p fans (who probably even forgets to assign person to work on ff14 while hes doing projects like ff16) completly spin SAM changes as dps discussion and that this dont belong here (Theme of thread: Yoshi-P: Flippant dismissal of player criticism is a poor look for a lead developer.). And spin it like its either fix or asked change.

Surely thread about lead dev criticism can't have criticism? Surely SAM players didn't criticized 6.1 changes even before they got released?

I like how people act like it was the 6.1 SAM changes that sucked. No, it was the addition of Namikiri at the expense of nerfing Setsugekka and adding another cast. SAM has been terrible to play since 6.0 dropped.

[DPZ2]

I like how these yoshi p fans (who probably even forgets to assign person to work on ff14 while hes doing projects like ff16) completly spin SAM changes as dps discussion and that this dont belong here (Theme of thread: Yoshi-P: Flippant dismissal of player criticism is a poor look for a lead developer.). And spin it like its either fix or asked change.

Surely thread about lead dev criticism can't have criticism? Surely SAM players didn't criticized 6.1 changes even before they got released?

Surely criticism does not have to result in actual change.

Anyone may have an opinion. For video games, the opinion that matters is that of the creator, not the consumer. The outcome may be a loss in revenue, but the only way that happens is if people Stop Playing.

Make a case. Be polite. Do not demand the changes you desire. Be pleasantly surprised should such changes be made.

By the way ... The theme thread (flippant dismissal of player criticism) is based on an unclear understanding by the OP, despite (a) the producer of this game does not natively speak English (b) written translations of visual media do not incorporate stage directions (c) the Japanese language does not incorporate typical North American sarcasm.

[Themarvin]

I think people are spoiled brats... you got an active dev team here who actually speaks to the players very extreme often... where as other games... you will only receive a wall.

I think people is not appreciating the work they put in... and that they actually are this engaged with the community 10 years after still... and probably even more so than in the past is a friggen blessing, I think people complain to much about nothing of importance, there will be added upgrades to stuff as there is so many popular features but it is not something you do over night.. over a week or 3 months.... you can maybe expect some upgrades but first they got to do what is planned first, adding to the story and finishing up content.

Take it easy, play another game if do not like FFXIV and see a Development team, you never will see spot or whatever else other in rare patches and the likes.

EvE Online also is engaged in their playerbase, or at least used to be, to mention one other MMO.

[Stasya]

I like how people act like it was the 6.1 SAM changes that sucked. No, it was the addition of Namikiri at the expense of nerfing Setsugekka and adding another cast. SAM has been terrible to play since 6.0 dropped.

No we can't talk about that it's impossible for devs to merge these pointless abilities "something something is ready" like ogi and super ogi with ikishoten (cough cough tilania cough).

But w/e SAM's Endwalker seller skill is Shoha 2 right?

I think people are spoiled brats... you got an active dev team here who actually speaks to the players very extreme often... where as other games... you will only receive a wall.

Spoiled brats that said please don't put these awful SAM changes live and the only thing these "active" devs did was complete radio silence. Meanwhile lead dev gets stomped on his BLM -> he buffs BLM through the roof ....

I am spoiled brat because i don't want to see ff14 to be on cash cow life support mode while creative business unit 3 waste their time on other projects cause management told to do so.

[AsiTsurugi]

I like how people act like it was the 6.1 SAM changes that sucked. No, it was the addition of Namikiri at the expense of nerfing Setsugekka and adding another cast. SAM has been terrible to play since 6.0 dropped.

Not just an additional cast. The removal of Seigan, and kenki generation from positional combo actions and being changed to getting it for free are also horrible changes.

[Deceptus]

I like how people act like it was the 6.1 SAM changes that sucked. No, it was the addition of Namikiri at the expense of nerfing Setsugekka and adding another cast. SAM has been terrible to play since 6.0 dropped.

(emphasis mine)

Lot of jobs have been. Say what you want about the story, but job design is in the crapper right now.

By the way ... The theme thread (flippant dismissal of player criticism) is based on an unclear understanding by the OP, despite (a) the producer of this game does not natively speak English (b) written translations of visual media do not incorporate stage directions (c) the Japanese language does not incorporate typical North American sarcasm.

Communications 101: True Communication does not occur between two parties unless the recipient receives a clear understanding of what the communicator wishes to express.

Yoshi is the head of development for a major MMO. I'm not saying he shouldn't joke about things but he needs to judge his words carefully because they they hold a hefty amount of weight.

And like I said in the OP, it would be different if this was a one off, but he has shown a pattern of disregarding criticism.

[Themarvin]

Not just an additional cast. The removal of Seigan, and kenki generation from positional combo actions and being changed to getting it for free are also horrible changes.

All Jobs has had fixes added to them... I prefer when it was much more complex to play, but many do not or find it too difficult.

You need to design so it fit for a gamepad first of all, and saying that SAM is only hit is kind of BS, they are active adding to stuff changing buffing up and down all the time, if SAM had a little too much or the likes, expect changes...

I played Mnk since HW... and never stopped, no matter what weird things they did to it, I never found a need to switch to meta classes for content I play, and if people can't deal with it.. make their own PF or the likes.

[DPZ2]

(emphasis mine)

Lot of jobs have been. Say what you want about the story, but job design is in the crapper right now.



Communications 101: True Communication does not occur between two parties unless the recipient receives a clear understanding of what the communicator wishes to express.

Yoshi is the head of development for a major MMO. I'm not saying he shouldn't joke about things but he needs to judge his words carefully because they they hold a hefty amount of weight.

And like I said in the OP, it would be different if this was a one off, but he has shown a pattern of disregarding criticism.

In other words, you read more into the translation (including "attitude") than was actually spoken in Japanese, went off the deep end and now desire to be absolved of responsibility.

"A pattern of disregarding criticism" is simple to understand ... you ask, they say "no". You appear to personally believe that is 'disregarding criticism' when what you really meant was "not getting what we want, when we want it".

[Karowolus]

I mean, why don't we take this thread as a learning experience no?

It seems like the minute you criticize anything to do with this perfect game, this game that must have perfect ratings everywhere. Everybody blows everything so far out of proportion it looks like something little timmy drew in kindergarten.

So by that logic.. Does it not seem wise to, keep our criticism to ourselves and watch the game that's slowly turning into a dumpster fire ( Except it's not because it's obviously a perfect game with perfect developers that could do nothing wrong! ) and simply look to the side when we're asking eachother 'What Went Wrong?'


Passive Aggression and lightly comedic post aside...

This, the constant bickering and the snarky bullshit. It's not conductive. What you may view as a discussion is closer to an argument. And nothing you say will change that fact. The second you devolve into throwing insults at eachother and taking low blows at the players themselves for the races they play or the jobs they enjoy. You aren't having a discussion with a lick of sense. You're just arguing and nothing you say will have any value to whoever you chose to insult. If you want to continue to have a mindless discussion with no resolution because all you're doing is arguing and not actually doing anything conductive.

Just leave... Because a forum, by definition.

Forum : a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

It is not

Forum : A place where people devalue one another's opinion in order to come out on top because only their opinion matters.

If the Cap Fits. Wear it.

The game has been, and will continue to go down a path. And this path will lead to the game failing.

[Theox]

This tread is pure chaos and i love it. Also fuck the devs for vieras and hroths, for housing and job design, for glamour and inventory limitations. Seriously, fuck them.