Now that it's been a while: Was Rich Campbell's UCOB clear different from usual?

[Johners]

Why is this still a topic of conversation? It wasn't fully blind progression but he did play the fight alongside seven other people that had already cleared it. Just because it's not representative of the experience the majority of players would have, doesn't make it any less legitimate. Part of the problem is that the player base wanted to gatekeep WoW players trying this game into playing the "correct and intended" way that was mostly just setting arbitrary requirements and saying "gotcha" every so often.

[Ranaku]

Progging Ucob right now and it is easy.
The DPS checks are not existing and you have many points were you can rest people without a problem, even hard Rezz.

But, there are also difficult mechanics that had to be played right, otherwise you will be send back to the start.

Did Rich got carried?
No, he had to prog, learn and play all mechanics.

See it like this:
It took a group with 1 player without a clear 24hours to get it done.
If all 8 had to learn it then it would be 24x8= 192 hour's.
And that is about the time that a new MC static would need to clear Ucob.

Did you actually watch the vid of the clear? He got callouts all the way, sometimes even not knowing what to do until people say it. Often he was the last arriving at some safe spots cause ofc he only does it after the callout not naturally.

Ofc he had to learn the fight overall but without callouts and if he had to pull his full own fair share of the weight he wouldn't have cleared it at all. Go back and watch it. He got carried and that really hard.

But he is a streamer doing it for the fun and viewers so, as i said, i think it's ok. It's also really transparent, everyone basically knows how he got it and that he is a streamer so it's not like he bought it and is lying now about how he got it.

[KageTokage]

The bigger question is why the heck anyone even cares.

At the end of the day, he's just another overhyped Twitch streamer who doesn't actually enjoy the game that much and mostly plays it because it gets him views/subs.

[Knot_D]

Imagine still caring about someone clearing Ultimates in 2k22...

[Curisu]

snip.

So, me and my group also getting carried by the quad legend in our group because he does some good callouts?

Did I also got carried in UwU because I did clear primal roulette the first time I've ever done it?

[Liam_Harper]

No one cares.

It's a slippery slope to go down to claim that the legitimacy of a raid clear is diminished accordingly as your group gets better or does better callouts. Where do you draw the line where a clear becomes invalidated because the team or raid lead is too good, or how many callouts can you be saved by before you have to hand your totem back to SE?
It's definitely just salt that he had probably the best raid team and most ideal situation possible. Most of the players complaining would leap at the chance if a top raid team offered to coach them through, but they won't and they're stuck doing a month prog in a regular group and get angry over it.

[Ranaku]

So, me and my group also getting carried by the quad legend in our group because he does some good callouts?

Did I also got carried in UwU because I did clear primal roulette the first time I've ever done it?

If you relied on other players, beyond their participation in the fight dps wise, then yes you got carried. If not then no you didn't got carried.

I mean really it is not that hard to understand, getting carried means relying on other players in ways that aren't the normal way. Such as callouts or other players having to do more damage so the group doesn't have to rely on your damage.

And i am not here to validate or invalidate your personal achievements and how you feel about it and not here to hate on rich. I am just here to present the facts, nothing more and without any hate or negativity towards anyone. I personally play the game for myself and not for others to see my awesome weapon or anything so honestly i don't even care about people buying their clears.

So yeah if you look at the facts, rich got carried. Is that bad? No. Not at all. Did you got carried? Idk. I don't care. Not a bit.

[VelKallor]

In three words

Does it matter?

Comparing a blind clear vs. a clear with world first raiders? Is there anything to discuss? Of course he was carried.

Did he clear it? Yes.

Did he enjoy himself? Yes.

Did his team have a blast raiding with him? Yes.

So..who cares? Rich seemed to be having the time of his life and enjoying FF 14. Isnt that all that really matters here?

[Reap00]

In three words

Does it matter?



Did he clear it? Yes.

Did he enjoy himself? Yes.

Did his team have a blast raiding with him? Yes.

So..who cares? Rich seemed to be having the time of his life and enjoying FF 14. Isnt that all that really matters here?

None of the above changes the fact he was carried. I agree that none of it matters though. Rich is a used car salesman of high quality that will milk the xiv community on twitch the next time hype spikes. This also doesn't change the fact he was carried.

[VelKallor]

None of the above changes the fact he was carried.

And? So? Therefore?

I agree that none of it matters though

Then why fret about it?

This also doesn't change the fact he was carried.

Again WHO CARES? Really, what the hell does it matter? Maybe he was, maybe he wasnt, again, whats the big deal here? Its level 50 content, an old raid, so what does this "he was carried" even mean"?

I mean, what was it exactly is he was supposed to "prove?", and to whom? For what reason? Reputation?

Credit as a "leet raider?"

Its a game, not a test of strength or some "Test of worthiness", he completed an old raid with some friends, had a great time doing it, his audience enjoyed it, his team enjoyed it, so what was it meant to be instead? Or is this meant to demean him and the raid just to make you feel superior?

Hm?

Ive said it before, and Ill say it again: Some of you take this GAME far FAR too damned seriously.