There has not been a single major patch without a critical issue since Endwalker.

[Kolsykol]

"Is square out of touch? No, it's the players who are wrong."

Way to go completely missing the point, same with everyone liking your comment.
The devs have said multiple times before ( including Yoshi-P himself and Toshio ) that the forums are toxic as hell and needlessly stressful and that they just stop reading comments because of this crap.
If you lot care about actual change then you'd find it within yourselves to drop the needless antagonism towards them for five minutes.
All that you're doing is make the devs ignore and not read threads and your own comments.

It's completely counter-productive and causes actual harm to the game, then the same people sit around whining about how they're not listening.
If you want to give feedback then give feedback without pointless attacks attached to every single comment.

Far too many people treat '' feedback and criticism '' on this forum as just blatant vitriol and venting, and it's actually holding the game back and making it more difficult to communicate with the devs.

[Lustre]

Way to go completely missing the point, same with everyone liking your comment.
The devs have said multiple times before ( including Yoshi-P himself and Toshio ) that the forums are toxic as hell and needlessly stressful and that they just stop reading comments because of this crap.
If you lot care about actual change then you'd find it within yourselves to drop the needless antagonism towards them for five minutes.
All that you're doing is make the devs ignore and not read threads and your own comments.

It's completely counter-productive and causes actual harm to the game, then the same people sit around whining about how they're not listening.
If you want to give feedback then give feedback without pointless attacks attached to every single comment.

Far too many people treat '' feedback and criticism '' on this forum as just blatant vitriol and venting, and it's actually holding the game back and making it more difficult to communicate with the devs.

Why does the fanbase need to act as the devs emotional support buddies? We consume a product they produce, and we are to hold them to a standard. So some people get mad, and they might say MeAn WoRdS oN ThE InTeRnEt, but so what? Is the content of what they're saying invalidated because it isn't super nice and polite? If you were in a relationship (in any relation) and you had to "watch your words" and walk on eggshells to avoid the other party ignoring you, that's definitely not a nice relationship to be in.

[Kaurhz]

Why does the fanbase need to act as the devs emotional support buddies? We consume a product they produce, and we are to hold them to a standard. So some people get mad, and they might say MeAn WoRdS oN ThE InTeRnEt, but so what? Is the content of what they're saying invalidated because it isn't super nice and polite? If you were in a relationship (in any relation) and you had to "watch your words" and walk on eggshells to avoid the other party ignoring you, that's definitely not a nice relationship to be in.

On the other hand, a relationship (in any relation) isn't really worth indulging in if the other party is rude and disrespectful on a regular basis. The content of what is said isn't immediately invalidated no, but in any circumstances, it isn't going to be given the proper attention if said content is largely vitriolic nonsense.

Say what you don't like, and why you don't like it. If it gets addressed, great, if not and the dislike is continual then it stands that the direction of the game just simply doesn't align according to their interests anymore. Ultimately, it is within the developers' hands to choose the direction of the game. I can certainly say that if you being polite, consistent, and providing at least some insight doesn't change the direction then being rude about the matter certainly wouldn't.

I have a severe distaste for the direction of crafting in this game, for example, as I am certain many have equally vented about, be it on these forums, on Reddit, or on Discord. The solution to that was Firmament which is largely temporal content. So I've taken it for granted that the game's direction for crafting just doesn't align with my interests. This is to say in this regard an alignment towards a casual engagement, as opposed to something that required ongoing investment (Basically HW).

I can say that the very original post in this threat served no other purpose than to complain for the sake of it and to inflame.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Why does the fanbase need to act as the devs emotional support buddies? We consume a product they produce, and we are to hold them to a standard. So some people get mad, and they might say MeAn WoRdS oN ThE InTeRnEt, but so what? Is the content of what they're saying invalidated because it isn't super nice and polite? If you were in a relationship (in any relation) and you had to "watch your words" and walk on eggshells to avoid the other party ignoring you, that's definitely not a nice relationship to be in.

Because people like you act like total Karens about it and its extremely annoying?

[Theodric]

Because people like you act like total Karens about it and its extremely annoying?

I don't think that's fair at all. There's nothing particularly unreasonable about Lustre's posts.

If we're talking 'extremely annoying' I'd be more inclined to use that term to describe the posters who show up in response to any feedback whatsoever in order to try and downplay it. Furthermore, there's no real justification for bizarre personal attacks.

[Akiudo]

If you were in a relationship (in any relation) and you had to "watch your words" and walk on eggshells to avoid the other party ignoring you, that's definitely not a nice relationship to be in.

if you are in a relationship (in any relation) and you would scream bloody murder at the other party every time you weren't happy with something that they tried giving you than people would rightfully call you an abusive a** and tell the other party to cut all contact with you.

if your favorite restaurant changes its menu than you might decide to never go there again, you might also tell the owner that you liked the old menu better and you would really prefer he give you more of the old menu because otherwise you don't believe they can keep you as a patron. what you won't do unless you are completly unhinged is sending the owner a mail telling him how much his new menu sucks ass, he either starts accomodating you or you will never visit his establishment again and that he is a failure for not realizing himself that his new menu sucks ass and he should be ashamed for deliviring something as bad as the new menu to you, so why do you feel this to be an okay way to talk to/about developers in a video game forum ?

[Lustre]

if you are in a relationship (in any relation) and you would scream bloody murder at the other party every time you weren't happy with something that they tried giving you than people would rightfully call you an abusive a** and tell the other party to cut all contact with you.

if your favorite restaurant changes its menu than you might decide to never go there again, you might also tell the owner that you liked the old menu better and you would really prefer he give you more of the old menu because otherwise you don't believe they can keep you as a patron. what you won't do unless you are completly unhinged is sending the owner a mail telling him how much his new menu sucks ass, he either starts accomodating you or you will never visit his establishment again and that he is a failure for not realizing himself that his new menu sucks ass and he should be ashamed for deliviring something as bad as the new menu to you, so why do you feel this to be an okay way to talk to/about developers in a video game forum ?

You're being deliberately obtuse on certain points. Nobody's screaming blue murder. People are giving impassioned feedback and opinion (something that comes with the territory in MMOs) because a service failed, on the back of numerous other failings, consequentially. You then proceed to compare this situation to that of a small local business owner. Strawman 101. I should know better than to reply, really.

It's important to note there's practically 0 community interaction with SE here. We're essentially "the only ones who care enough to scream into the void". I think that has a part to play in the "negativity" of the comments. But honestly, I've played games my entire life, and expecting a community of hundreds of thousands of extremely passionate fans to constantly behave "nicely" is like asking to leave the house and have a million dollars fall on top of you. It's never ever going to happen. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that in all of the communities I've been a part of, negative feedback in the XIV is actually rather polite. Although I'm sure you'd point to a single occasion multiple years ago where something over the line happened as if it's some kind of grand proof.

[Jeeqbit]

Why does the fanbase need to act as the devs emotional support buddies? We consume a product they produce, and we are to hold them to a standard.

If you look beyond the company, there are developers with real emotions. People can be critical, but they should word it politely. Why would developers want to continue listening to us or even working for SE if their customers are always rude to them and attack them on a personal level?

It's possible to word criticism politely and respectfully. It got bad enough that Yoshi-P had to bring it up recently. He had to reconsider whether to force developers to read things that were making them unhappy.

Why would they want to continue working for SE if they are attacked for everything whatever decision they make? They need praise sometimes, but if you look on these forums, they never really get it.

If you were in a relationship (in any relation) and you had to "watch your words" and walk on eggshells to avoid the other party ignoring you, that's definitely not a nice relationship to be in.

Nor is it a nice relationship to be in where you "say MeAn WoRdS" and are not "super nice and polite". The relationship goes both ways.

[Axxion]

Way to go completely missing the point, same with everyone liking your comment.
The devs have said multiple times before ( including Yoshi-P himself and Toshio ) that the forums are toxic as hell and needlessly stressful and that they just stop reading comments because of this crap.
If you lot care about actual change then you'd find it within yourselves to drop the needless antagonism towards them for five minutes.
All that you're doing is make the devs ignore and not read threads and your own comments.

It's completely counter-productive and causes actual harm to the game, then the same people sit around whining about how they're not listening.
If you want to give feedback then give feedback without pointless attacks attached to every single comment.

Far too many people treat '' feedback and criticism '' on this forum as just blatant vitriol and venting, and it's actually holding the game back and making it more difficult to communicate with the devs.

So my question is where should we go to voice are concerns? I mean seriously there are concerns for this game since they relaunched it and nothing really changed .

Whos fault is that we dont have an active gm in our forums anymore remember when we had one back in hw and they stepped down?

At this point this is just getting sad. We have people bring up old post the 2014 or later. People bring up things like lgbtq matters and they have nothing to do with and people always and i mean always falls for it.

were was the sticky at to let people know that make one mega thread for job concerns etcs?

We have been asking for more interesting content for years and nothing was done until now. People always say oh look at the content that we are getting. But its the same bit of content that we get every other patch which is nothing new.

Take in consideration how they started doing one dungeon a patch. remember we had 3 before , then two , now one. Every dungeon is so linear just a different paint job on it.

Job changes every time we make concern about jobs, you know what happens? we get told thats the job is fine or go play something else ( look at drk on how they took a long time to fix LD people legit thought it was fine but tell that a healer that does not know how it does.)

If they want to combat forum to "toxity" then they need to put the money that gain from from 14 and pays someone

Heck got another example for you. Someone made a post about them adding different music for the mounts. Some of the new mounts in game or mog station mounts have the same generic mount music. Want to know what someone posted that got more likes then op. " I to am glad that soken is okay" Do not get me wrong i think everyone is was glad that he was okay , however there are more people on the music team then just him.