Yoshi-P: Flippant dismissal of player criticism is a poor look for a lead developer.

[Listrella]

I see this is the same person who flew off the handle about yoshi's comment about challanging content and ultimate, apparently Yoshi can't make a little joke without pissing this guy off.

[Momo_Kozuki]

I don't see it as a complain about complainers.


It is more like Yoshi-P just state the truth in a humorous way.


Just that people have different tolerance levels. Some will take it as a joke and laugh together with him. Some will think it is offending because, I don't know, perhaps they have a bad day and cannot take any joke in a positive way?

[Clover_Blake]

He stated the truth, though?
I know people who were complaining right before and right after the slots announcement.

And why shouldn't he take it in a humorous way? The glam dresser is not a super serious, life changing matter that could deeply offend anyone (or it shouldn't be).

[Gemina]

Careful saying things like this. You'll be lumped in with the Yoshi Worship camp here by many folks

It's not a bad camp. Everyone is well-mannered, and non-bigoted. They also serve treats everyday at 3pm and we have pizza Fridays.

[Deveryn]

Could you cite your sources on this?

I've made multiple well researched, written and concise feedback posts and threads, some of which are pushing 200 likes.

None of them have ever so much as been acknowledged and certainly not acted upon to my understanding, and I'm certainly not the only one here.

source: Naoki Yoshida

You got a post with 200 likes... That might sound like a lot for the number of people that show up here, but it's a drop in the bucket of the whole playerbase. I think you need to push the thousands to properly get noticed.

Moving on...

To even call the glamour dresser a broken system is incorrect. It's one of a few storage systems in game. It wasn't intended / anticipated to be used this much. If they keep adding and adding, there will come a point where it will negatively impact play. They had to make it so you could only use this system on your own, isolated from everyone else. That should be a major clue about how one can't just keep adding on. It's not broken just because it doesn't serve your "needs". It will be broken if they push it too far.

[Katoar]

source: Naoki Yoshida

You got a post with 200 likes... That might sound like a lot for the number of people that show up here, but it's a drop in the bucket of the whole playerbase. I think you need to push the thousands to properly get noticed.

The official forum is the place where feedback given is supposed to be read by the devs whether it is liked or not.

Thread: New Hrothgar Hairstyles are really bad has 168 likes in General discussion which is the most frequently visited sub-forum and there was a reply from a Community Rep

A summary of healer issues is a 2-year-old thread that has well over 200 likes in a much smaller sub-forum: Healer Roles. Yet to be addressed by a Live Letter or even a comment from a Community Rep.

Healer complaints have not been left unaddressed because of a lack of likes

[Sebazy]

source: Naoki Yoshida

You got a post with 200 likes... That might sound like a lot for the number of people that show up here, but it's a drop in the bucket of the whole playerbase. I think you need to push the thousands to properly get noticed.

Ok, and care to cite them?

Meanwhile, my source: these forums

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-Chocobo-Boots

83 likes, it got a response because A) it was common sense B) regarding what was probably a bit of an oversight C) Ultimate low hanging fruit that could be implemented quickly and easily.

The most likes I can remember seeing on a first post within these boards is ~270 FYI. Thousands just isn't happening, that's not a benchmark to go by because it's doubtful any post is going to get there.

Moving on...

To even call the glamour dresser a broken system is incorrect. It's one of a few storage systems in game. It wasn't intended / anticipated to be used this much. If they keep adding and adding, there will come a point where it will negatively impact play. They had to make it so you could only use this system on your own, isolated from everyone else. That should be a major clue about how one can't just keep adding on. It's not broken just because it doesn't serve your "needs". It will be broken if they push it too far.

It always seemed strange to me that it was ever allowed to be used as a storage system at all TBH. It just makes more sense to me to have an additional integer array per expansion on each character to flag up any bound items that have been held allowing that to be used to flag items up as available to be used in the glamour dresser rather than us simply dropping items in there.

My best guess as to why they didn't do that is that in it's original inception, it'd reduce the pressure on players limited inventory space particularly for those with a large number of jobs levelled. No need to cling onto obscure dungeon sets for glamour use if you can equip and then chuck them in the bin. Of course now a few years down the line, they are basically doing just that with another dresser expansion

[Ath192]

It is this exact dismissive attitude that many players are starting to take umbrage with.

Healer criticism? Go play Ultimate (despite the Ultimates being able to be solo healed)

Glamour Criticism? Instead of fixing a broken system, we just simply made it bigger.
Take what we give you and like it.

I get it. You're stuck with the resources you have and the engine you're working with, but flippantly dismissing player criticisms over a system they find subpar is simply a bad look.

Perfect example of someone finding reasons to be offended. Mind you this is not something that was said to offend anyone, this was someone deliberately wanting to be offended, analyzing everything said, latching onto the first thing they could be potentially offended by and firing criticism off for it.

If it were genuine feedback it would have been worded in a constructive or objective way. But it’s easy to know what this is by reading the judgmental tone and condemnation in the post.

This isn’t game feedback. This is someone who found a reason to be offended and making sure people know about it. Game feedback involves an constructive idea. This more a warning to the devs to not behave in a way that offends the poster.

[Raven2014]

Agreed in general, the live letter format is excellent all told and ripping up the playbook isn't the way to go. The issue is that Yoshida has repeatedly shown himself to be a bit out of touch with his player base pretty much right from 2.0 when he told us we were playing Warrior wrong. IMHO the production team suffers a little from firmly believing that they know best when that's not always the case. By being a little more receptive to community sentiment pretty much all of these faux pas could have been avoided.

No that's not an issue, what else do you think I meant by organic and holistic discussion. At the end of the day it's a open table to talk about the game, and Yoshida has as much right to state what he think than any one else. If you believe he obligate to butter up and nod his head at every complain, then that exactly what gonna turn it into another fake PR event. At the end of the day the man is still just a human, he can be turned into a corporate saint with fake concern and agreement if that's what you want, but can't have a cake and eat it too.

And I want to point out, the "community" is hardly a single entity. Rather it's a moniker that are constantly "abused" by "Loud and obnoxious" minority to advance their own take in the game. I actually am very glad this forum is mostly ignored by the developers, I doubt I can enjoy the game as much as I current do if half of the complain here are taken seriously.

[Deveryn]

The official forum is the place where feedback given is supposed to be read by the devs whether it is liked or not.

Thread: New Hrothgar Hairstyles are really bad has 168 likes in General discussion which is the most frequently visited sub-forum and there was a reply from a Community Rep

A summary of healer issues is a 2-year-old thread that has well over 200 likes in a much smaller sub-forum: Healer Roles. Yet to be addressed by a Live Letter or even a comment from a Community Rep.

Healer complaints have not been left unaddressed because of a lack of likes

It's easier to translate and relay something like a hairstyle issue.

When you're talking about jobs, people actually need to get their shit together and in a way that the devs can read and understand. It's been said again and again that putting together clear concise info in Japanese is the best way to communicate to them. You're expecting the community rep to do all the translating. I know I wouldn't want to touch that and having something lost in translation. On top of that, there's so much extra garbage to sift through in those threads, with all the belligerent folk fiercely clinging to the past.

This is where you need the numbers supporting an issue. 200 healers being unhappy with the game is not enough to change everything for all the thousands upon thousands that might actually be happy with the job. Healers and their concerns were definitely addressed prior to EW launch. That may not be what this small group wanted, but it was clear they were listening to feedback and the content has definitely been giving healers more to do.

I tried to read through that healer post (probably not the first time). It's all over the damn place and too much at once. It's incorrect to call it a summary.