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    If they’re gonna double down on buff window gameplay I’d say it’s better for jobs to not be strictly worse than others because of how those buffs interface with each other, and it’s likely better that a few crits on your 1000+ potency skills shouldn’t be the difference between hitting an enrage or not.

    However, they should’ve never doubled down on buff window gameplay to begin with, and they should’ve never implemented skills that are single handedly worth 10% of your output despite being used no more than a dozen times per fight, so at this point they’re just putting a bandaid on an open wound.
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    Last edited by AziraSyuren; 07-02-2022 at 05:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QooEr View Post
    i don't understand why "damage variance" because of crits is so undesirable that theyre negatively affecting gameplay to curb it. we don't even have an in-game damage meter.

    the only people affected by this "variance" are chasing the high rolls of their own volition.
    Some amount of variance in games is fun.

    If you've never gotten an endorphin hit from a big direct crit, I am sorry for you. Maybe play more chess?
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    Quote Originally Posted by QooEr View Post
    i don't understand why "damage variance" because of crits is so undesirable that theyre negatively affecting gameplay to curb it. we don't even have an in-game damage meter.

    the only people affected by this "variance" are chasing the high rolls of their own volition.
    And again, meta slaves only have themselves to blame for that, making my game experience worse because they freak out over numbers on FFLogs.
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    And again, meta slaves only have themselves to blame for that, making my game experience worse because they freak out over numbers on FFLogs.
    Your experience isnt going to be better or worse if an attack auto crits or not. Removing Kaiten and making some skills auto crit are two entirely seperate things. They happened at the same time but they are actually not tied to each other. They could have just as easily made changed kaiten to make the next attack a guaranteed crit and you would feel no difference in how it plays.
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    Derio Uzumaki
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    All they had to do was fix MCH and WAR. Instead they added SAM to the party and now they have to address the issue in the most crazy way as possible.
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    Stasya Astolfofangirl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    And again, meta slaves only have themselves to blame for that, making my game experience worse because they freak out over numbers on FFLogs.
    The joke is that SAM was not meta melee in 6.00 6.05 6.08. First it was reapers and monks being completly broken because devs only tested p4s with rpr mnk rdm brd comp. Then devs double down with buffing monk a little bit with phantom rush and atleast make other dps way better (for first savage weeks i never saw dragoon in pf for example).

    I legit never saw anyone complaining about SAM damage variance and never thought about it. Yes i am unlucky and sometimes midare % crit chance was bad but did i wanted SAM to be destroyed completly because of 1 savage run?

    Again this auto crit introduction was because devs didnt tested DSR at all and feared SAM will be bad there .... There is no sane explanation other than this and they even tried to band aid their "band aid" with additional buff in 6.11.

    Which was useless. And another joke is if i was meta slave reaper i would have been stuck with reaper aswell lol.
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  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stasya View Post
    (for first savage weeks i never saw dragoon in pf for example).
    Again, after the "I can find a DSU party because I'm a SAM, now this ... you just LOVE making up stuffs like this do you? I tried to do early savage as DRG on one of my char, and couldn't get in a part half of the time. You know why? Because there is already another DRG there! The joke at the time were actually about PLD and DNC, and it was more of a meme rather than people actually Blist them. The check on P1 and P2 is a joke that you can have a few deaths and still clear. And P3/P4 early clear are reserved for the top players who have enough mastery that non of that matter. Hell, I cleared P3S in week 2 in a pug with double SMN (so missing a whole 1% raid wide) and a DRG + PLD, with one death, and we still clear without reaching the enrage.

    Stop blaming the class, if people not letting you in the group, the problem may be lie with you rather than the class you're playing. If your group can't clear content with class that even pug can do it casually with, then the problem is with your group.

    I mean ... do you really think making hyperbolic bold face lie will somehow strengthen your argument? You're not preaching to people who are unfamiliar to the game here. We all played the game and know what actually happens in PF. Or you so delusion that you actually believe your claim is truthful?!? I mean if you want to argue simply for the shake of your e-peen, go ahead, I don't like it but at least you're honest. Don't try to masquerade it behind the "content" excuse, it just shows you are either lying, or bad, and perhaps both.
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    Last edited by Raven2014; 07-03-2022 at 01:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy View Post
    Some amount of variance in games is fun.

    If you've never gotten an endorphin hit from a big direct crit, I am sorry for you. Maybe play more chess?
    I play SCH so I don't even notice if that ever happens, my eyes glaze over when I'm spamming Broil @_@
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    Kael Yoshim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    And the people deliberately farming logs are generally not the people that complain about it.
    It just makes me wonder who this change was for? Who asked for it? Sure, bad rng can be frustrating but making everyone's damage into a perfectly predictable flatline with an equally perfectly predictable spike every 2min doesn't make it better.
    Damage variance does not hold ground in an MMORPG where DPS meters are officially prohibited. The removal of Kaiten was purposefully done to cause a negative impact on SAM players.
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    Stasya Astolfofangirl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    And P3/P4 early clear are reserved for the top players who have enough mastery that non of that matter.
    The msq thread where you have to troll around is in other way. You probably got lost.
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