you want changes? make a loud coordinated racket nicely i might add

[pikalovr]

and? saying that players aren't satisfied with the design of healers gameplay isn't as impactful a statement as you think it is. the kaiten changes that even you list are the result of feedback from the forums. they just weren't the changes that people wanted. and thems the breaks of game development.
and that not even pointing out that the largest MMO does the same thing with non english speaking players.

so we should just sit back and take it? great logic. i guess when aliens take over i guess we should just roll over and take it. also an entire role being boring or worrying to the point even content creators are kinda wondering why yoshi-p ignores healer questions in their own personal Q&As isn't a big statement? yes it wasn't the change people wanted EMPHASIS ON EVEN JP PLAYERS WERE OUTRAGED SO WHERE DID THEY GEET THAT PEOPLE WANTED THE CHANGE FROM? but instead of explaining himself further or giving us a taste of what was going to happen to SAM they just took it out with nothing to show for it except "plans for the future" that they refused to elaborate on. thats exactly the kind of communication we should be against. that's how we get reworked SMN that feels barebones but is defended by saying "oh they'll add onto it in the future expansions" sure cause people wanna wait a year and a half for a fleshed out kit right? do i even need to bring up MNK? and how many times it's been changed before finally hitting a good ground? it's basically the ryze of final fantasy 14 at this point

[Xlantaa]

The image or this forum is irrevocably broken due to past whinnins. Almost no one is unable to post feedback without directly addrees the devs and their work as 'lazy', 'out of touch' or 'garbage'. If I was a dev I will just plain ignore any post with such things.

If you want to be heard, stop feeding troll post, respect the developers as human beings and maybe you will be heard. Also, understand that asking for things doesn't mean they must be done just because you want it and accept that will not change.

I must add that this forum barely represents the player base. Probably way less than 1%. So, just for posting here doesn't mean that everyone in game want such change.

[Saraide]

The image or this forum is irrevocably broken due to past whinnins. Almost no one is unable to post feedback without directly addrees the devs and their work as 'lazy', 'out of touch' or 'garbage'. If I was a dev I will just plain ignore any post with such things.

Obviously resorting to insults isnt the way to go but you would be a bad dev if you did this.

[Avoidy]

I wanna be wrong on this because I got enough of it playing Korean MMOs, but I'm pretty sure they only make changes based on forum feedback when they see it on the Japanese forum. Every once in a while someone necroposts a <PROBLEM> megathread on the English forums from 2015 where there are hundreds of pages of people signing on to say they'd love to see an issue addressed, and the issue will be something super basic, but here we are still dealing with it in 2022. Meanwhile, Japanese players blew up the forums and accused Yoshi of BLM pvp bias and the game got shut down, like, a day later to make immediate job changes. Compare that to like... the english dps forums blowing up over kaiten changes and they won't even issue a statement about their intent behind it. Or the issues with packet loss, where people on NA/EU were complaining about the lag for ages and never got a response. Then it affected Japanese players and all of a sudden they got a lodestone announcement about it.

I agree with your sentiment that there needs to be a focus on the game as an international product. Lots of studios forget this. They go global, but they only want to listen to players who speak their language while ignoring their much larger audiences abroad and it results in the product falling apart. I saw this in Tera, I saw it in BDO, I saw it in Maplestory, etc. etc. People told me to come play XIV because this game was different, but the only area where I see a difference is that the devs actually play the game and seem to care about it. And that is nice. But the rest of it is the same song and dance. Stupid monetary policies (b2p + subscription + cash shop that sells things that should just be in the game, why), dripfeed of content, and no actual communication about game changes no matter how much people beg them for it. We're never given a window into like, okay, WHY did you remove kaiten. WHY did you remove lord/lady of crowns. WHY did you turn the cone aoe into a circle. It just happens and when we don't like it, we can go scream into the wind on the forum while it's ignored for 2 years.

If you want to see change when it's gotten to this point, you have to be willing to let go, I think. Know why AST keeps getting reworked? Because it's got lower numbers of people playing it than the other healers. That's it. WHMs and SCHs never seem terribly happy either, but they keep crawling back to the job and square doesn't actually read feedback; they just observe metrics and change things based on that. Notice how they're doing a DRG rework that every DRG is dreading? Why? No communication there. They're just doing it. Hope you like it! If you don't, no point complaining about it. Just play something else and hope that in a year they see those metrics and change it again. I seriously don't think they read anything here and this is all pointless. I want to be wrong though.

[Jeeqbit]

This is a good point. If you have a complaint, you should be polite about it. Developers are human and if their customers are always rude to them, why would they want to continue working for SE? If they continue working for SE, why would they want to listen to customers who are always nasty?

It's exactly that toxic relationship that has destroyed WoW. The constant criticism led to people quitting or not working there and the ones who remained no longer wanted to listen to their customers because they are always nasty. Ignoring their customers then destroyed the game. We don't want to do that here.

[NekoMataMata]

So in-game riot events? hash tag everything from forum threads to twitter posts with #ffxiv and whatever issue we want changed?

[LaylaTsarra]

Maybe a mega thread would be a good idea rather then the constant creation of different threads with the same flavor. Being polite yes given much of what is posted by some is simply rude and derogatory towards the director and developers and game as a whole.

[Deceptus]

This! I absolutely agree with this! In the past people had told me that the devs won’t listen to my request in adding the Garlean glam. But when I’ve heard of the Q&A on February, I immediately asked them if they’re going to add the gear in the future, and Yoshida said he will! And that made me SO happy after patiently requesting it for so many years!

So never give up!

All that proves is that the best likelihood of getting anything accomplished requires getting the ear of the lead developer and only certain people have that access.

Because we have to wonder if the general consensus of the forums ever reaches his ear or if it gets stopped before it gets to him.

[IDontPetLalas]

This is a good point. If you have a complaint, you should be polite about it. Developers are human and if their customers are always rude to them, why would they want to continue working for SE? If they continue working for SE, why would they want to listen to customers who are always nasty?

It's exactly that toxic relationship that has destroyed WoW. The constant criticism led to people quitting or not working there and the ones who remained no longer wanted to listen to their customers because they are always nasty. Ignoring their customers then destroyed the game. We don't want to do that here.

I would agree that it isn't necessary to be rude if someone has a complaint regarding the de team - except that the forum posts are typically not "rude" no "nasty" here, there's not need for hyperbole. There are literally hundreds of well thought out, constructive, and valid discussions that have been ignored. Note that I am not saying that every post should be acquiesced to - I am simply stating that there has been little or no acknowledgment that the feedback would even be considered.

[Jeeqbit]

I would agree that it isn't necessary to be rude if someone has a complaint regarding the de team - except that the forum posts are typically not "rude" no "nasty" here, there's not need for hyperbole. There are literally hundreds of well thought out, constructive, and valid discussions that have been ignored. Note that I am not saying that every post should be acquiesced to - I am simply stating that there has been little or no acknowledgment that the feedback would even be considered.

There are some rude posts. It's not hyperbole. I find the forum to be very negative a lot of the time as well. There is no reason that a criticism cannot be surrounded by positivity and appreciation for what is liked about the game.