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  1. #1
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    KDSilver's Avatar
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    Shiru Elysia
    World
    Moogle
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 100

    SGE was designed to be the "dpsing healer" but sadly failed at it.

    So dev team answer for people asking for more dps option was SGE with its Kardia mechanic, providing a heal each time you execute a dps spell.

    But realistically, SGE play the same as every healer.
    - Dosis spam
    - 30s refresh DoT
    - 1 Aoe
    - Plegma, which acutally is Assize on GCD

    That's it.

    Toxicon is your Ruin II equivalent with a gauge you don't want to build because it makes you loose DPS.
    Pneuma is a healing action first, kinda like macrocosm.

    So...

    I'm asking dev team what are they going to do with SGE.
    Its designed to be something it's not.

    I want to see more Eucrasia and dps option.
    It's supposed to be the offensive healer (from their point of view of course).

    Dosis = Glare = Malefic = Broil
    E.Dosis = Dia = Combust = Biolysis
    Dykrasia = Holy = Gravity = Art of War

    Then each have their own damaging ressource with differencies (these aren't exactly classed as pure equivalent)

    Phlegma - Assize - Earthly Star - Energy Drain
    Pneuma - Afflatus Misery - Macrocomos
    Toxicon - Lord of Crown - Ruin II

    SGE doesn't have more damaging option than the others.
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    Last edited by KDSilver; 06-20-2022 at 09:27 PM.

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    SargeTheSeagull's Avatar
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    Rad Calidum
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    Ultros
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    They should have designed a caster and then tacked on heals to make it a healer. Sorta like how gunbreaker was gonna be a melee DPS and was reworked into a tank (supposedly)
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    MintnHoney's Avatar
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    Aylin Bielawska
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    Adamantoise
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Jokes on all of us, they didn't design Sage to be the DPS Healer, they designed Sage to be the ideal form of Scholar and labeled it the DPS healer to trick unknowing onlookers into believing that they gave the healer role something interesting and brand new. It's part of why YoshiP and his team can't think of what else to do with Scholar.
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    Last edited by MintnHoney; 06-22-2022 at 09:15 AM. Reason: updated to who the joke is really on

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    Player Mortex's Avatar
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    Rigor Mortex
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MintnHoney View Post
    Jokes on all of us, they didn't design Sage to be the DPS Healer, they designed Sage to be the ideal form of Scholar and labeled it the DPS healer to trick unknowing onlookers into believing that they gave the healer role something interesting and brand new. It's part of why YoshiP and his team can't think of what else to do with Scholar.
    It’s a genius move. Scholar without the horrible fairy ai and ghosting. A thing they changed for the worse from the perfect ai we had in stormblood, so we gonna love the Job even more after the trainwreck that was the shadowbringer fairy .
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    Payadopa Astraya
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    Conjurer Lv 71
    As a SCH you DPS while your fairy heals. As a SGE you DPS while an ability heals.

    It is the exact same thing. How are people surprised by that? lol And that concept was apparent before SGE was even released.
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    I hated SGE for they are an obtuse refusal from dev's side to acknowledge the way the encounter designed since beginning of time which only slightly, if not never changed at all until now. It's not a 'new' healer. It's a SCH who learned how to Dissipate and completely Embrace at will.
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    Player IceBlueNinja's Avatar
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    Blade Beoulve
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    Faerie
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    sch clunky fairy delays while kardia is much faster and sage do has some slight dif things like 2 aoes though 1 is 90 sec 2 charge cd. sages stuff in migi is instant vs pre casting sch. sage aint lock or punish out of their skills like clunky sch. sages spells are prettier as ast and whms while sch is ugly and books as a weapon is ugh. sage has 2 shields that does burst healing if stacks are left pani and hami .

    Lastly this is going back to old ast being called a copy better whm. sages have way eaiser time to manage resources to me and more mp forgiving than sch and even better cool down on their skills compared to sch

    Why is sage getting blown up on as sch knock off when ast is now full whm too but way better abilities with now
    mediocare buffs?

    Whm and Sch is old ofc even their copy counter parts while having similar play maybe overall better. Poor sage getting the old noct ast hate by sch lol

    Look at iphones they make so many and they all do so much of the same thing with lil diffrence like maybe better camera pictures thus is life. Finally as a meme some boss fights whether casual savage ex ultimates may have copy and paste mechanics from old content with very minor changes to those mecs thus the healer role.
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    Last edited by IceBlueNinja; 06-23-2022 at 12:31 AM.

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    AST is WHM but better, SGE is SCH but worse.
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    Daniel Negreanu
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    Adamantoise
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Dude what

    Come on
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    Player IceBlueNinja's Avatar
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    Blade Beoulve
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    AST is WHM but better, SGE is SCH but worse.
    interesting I see alot more sages ast and even whm more than sch least on my server.
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