[Suggestion] Can we get a “Hide All Players” option?

[Kozh]

This whole argument is kind of nuts to me, tbh. Yes, I know I'm playing an MMO, I enjoy its MMO-ness, I enjoy the social element of the game, I enjoy seeing other characters in the world, etc., but not always. Wanting to take a visual break for a bit doesn't mean I don't like MMOs and shouldn't be playing one?

Hell, it's like sunglasses. I love the summer sun, I love the vitamin D (fuck seasonal affective disorder), I love being out in the sun. But sometimes the sun makes my eyes hurt. Sometimes the sun makes it hard for me to see important things outside. Sometimes I wear sunglasses to improve my outdoor summer experience. Do sunglasses remove the sun? No, they just make it more tolerable when it's sunniest. But somehow, wearing sunglasses means actually I don't like the sun and really I should just go inside if I'm not going to enjoy the full, unadulterated experience of the sun. In fact, let's just stare directly at it! But here's the best part about sunglasses! You can put them on and take them off at will, and it doesn't impact literally anyone else.

Not to mention that the functionality already exists (in gpose), so I don't really buy the "but muh dev resources" argument.

Let people play the game they want to play. It doesn't impact anyone else, and it would aid player retention, which just gives SE more money to make this MMO that we all love (even if we sometimes want to feel alone in it).

Very well said. It boggles my mind how offended people are with harmless option that doesn't even affect them in the slightest. I wonder if those people spend every second in the game socializing, otherwise it would by hypocrite of them.

I find it amusing that to some people, hiding other players= no social interaction at all. Meanwhile the player who turn on this feature may still chat with their fc/linkshell/friends. They still partake in social activity by doing dungeon/alliance/raid. They still join PF. They can still see shouts/yell and respond to it. Are all of these not social interaction? Why are we gatekeeping social interaction as "seeing other players"? Because I can spend my day in Limsa, seeing all those people, and not interacting with them one bit nor chatting with anyone (a.k.a being anti-social).

If I'm being toxic, I would say that people who complain about client-side "hide players/hide glams" are just narcists who can't cope with the idea that they're invisible to some players.

[AngeliouxRein]

Well, in case you wanted more views of this question, YouTube recommended Zepla's video to me in which she made an entire video on your thread https://youtu.be/1-0Mh4WpIN4. (Look out! You're famous lol) But the comments bring up some interesting points, some of which were already mentioned here. In short, yes, there are people that can't fathom why someone would ask for this feature but there's also more comments explaining why they wish we did have this feature.

Personally, yes, I can see a lot of great moments to have this feature just for going through the story or doing a jump puzzle alone. Then toggle it off when I no longer need that kind of focus to really enjoy the game.

[Krotoan]

Well, in case you wanted more views of this question, YouTube recommended Zepla's video to me in which she made an entire video on your thread https://youtu.be/1-0Mh4WpIN4. (Look out! You're famous lol) But the comments bring up some interesting points, some of which were already mentioned here. In short, yes, there are people that can't fathom why someone would ask for this feature but there's also more comments explaining why they wish we did have this feature.

Personally, yes, I can see a lot of great moments to have this feature just for going through the story or doing a jump puzzle alone. Then toggle it off when I no longer need that kind of focus to really enjoy the game.

.... I am sad that someone as generally empathetic as Zepla thinks that "what if people don't see my neon organge chicken suit with my sparkly legendary weapon ALL THE TIME" is an argument. She laughed.. and It looks like she actually thought about what that really meant for a bit... but it's still what she said and now people are going to latch onto that.

[AngeliouxRein]

.... I am sad that someone as generally empathetic as Zepla thinks that "what if people don't see my neon organge chicken suit with my sparkly legendary weapon ALL THE TIME" is an argument. She laughed.. and It looks like she actually thought about what that really meant for a bit... but it's still what she said and now people are going to latch onto that.

This bothered me a lot too. There's definitely a moment where she was starting to see a reason for it but just chose to not see it from another angle. Besides that, others in the comments were definitely chiming in on wanting the feature and when it would've been useful, like too many roes wearing giant robes that block out entire platforms in Leap of Faith. Or hunt trains bogging their pcs down due to too many players cramming into a map. So there's definitely enough people wanting it, just a matter of if SE will see it and care to add it. Otherwise there's always a mod for pc players, us console folks will just have to continue to deal with it... as usual...

[novamare]

.... I am sad that someone as generally empathetic as Zepla thinks that "what if people don't see my neon organge chicken suit with my sparkly legendary weapon ALL THE TIME" is an argument. She laughed.. and It looks like she actually thought about what that really meant for a bit... but it's still what she said and now people are going to latch onto that.

I agree.

That line of thinking just strikes me as really selfish and narcissistic tbh. Not to mention, the people who would want to use a hypothetical hide all other players feature are not the people that care about your glams and aren't going to be impressed by them. If anything, per the OP's original point, it's just a nuisance, and folks who purposefully want to be a nuisance to other people have another name around these parts: trolls. (For absolute clarity, I'm not saying that Zepla is a troll. I do think she was joking, although I agree that folks will latch onto it, as you said. )

But I suppose it also comes down to the fact that some ffxiv players are Final Fantasy players first, while some are MMO players first. The two groups see the core role of the game differently--and that can be difficult to reconcile. We've all heard the MMORPG vs RPGMMO conversation before lol.

At the end of the day, more options are better. This option probably wouldn't be as dev resource intensive as, say, a new ultimate fight, although I'd wager more players might use it, at least situationally. So why not?

[NitrogenFixation]

Man. Remember when, several years ago, trolling on an overworld jump puzzle was so severe by people summoning massive mounts and their chocobos to be intentionally disruptive, that the devs had to add a zone where you couldn't use mounts or summon your chocobo around the puzzle? That's all I think of when I read people saying "but it's an MMO, why would you not want other people there".

[Ilisidi]

You don't need to go that far back. Last year they banned people for doing that to streamers in the overworld.

[Lustre]

Nothing sadder than an MMO with nobody in it. No thanks. Feature creep is real. If they added this as a toggle, next thing we'd have automated robot teammates.... oh wait....

[Driavna]

.... I am sad that someone as generally empathetic as Zepla thinks that "what if people don't see my neon organge chicken suit with my sparkly legendary weapon ALL THE TIME" is an argument. She laughed.. and It looks like she actually thought about what that really meant for a bit... but it's still what she said and now people are going to latch onto that.

There is no real reason to be against a client side option.

[Deveryn]

This bothered me a lot too. There's definitely a moment where she was starting to see a reason for it but just chose to not see it from another angle. Besides that, others in the comments were definitely chiming in on wanting the feature and when it would've been useful, like too many roes wearing giant robes that block out entire platforms in Leap of Faith. Or hunt trains bogging their pcs down due to too many players cramming into a map. So there's definitely enough people wanting it, just a matter of if SE will see it and care to add it. Otherwise there's always a mod for pc players, us console folks will just have to continue to deal with it... as usual...

It's the chocos that really make the difference and can make hunts / world fates miserable.