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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    I'm not sure why I keep seeing claims that sentient lives would be involved with the third round of sacrifices when there's nothing to indicate such aside from a desire to "entrust the future of the star" to them on the part of Venat's faction.
    I mean, isn't that pretty hard evidence? Why would there be a debate about entrusting the future of the star to plants and wildlife?

    Furthermore, why didn't Emet-Selch mention it, if the original plan was to sacrifice plants and animals? He spent all of Shadowbringers trying to convince the WoL to come over to his side, but never deployed that incredibly powerful argument? Why wouldn't he, if that was the case?

    Also - if non-sentient life was fine before, why do the inhabitants of the source have to be sacrificed later? Why wouldn't Emet-Selch say, "after we restore the world and your souls to your unsundered state, and bring Zodiark back, we will begin demanding tributes of farm animals in order to collect enough aether to bring our bretheren back, and then resume our place as benevolent stewards of the star"? He'd probably get way more people to cooperate with him with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KariTheFox View Post
    I mean, isn't that pretty hard evidence? Why would there be a debate about entrusting the future of the star to plants and wildlife?

    Furthermore, why didn't Emet-Selch mention it, if the original plan was to sacrifice plants and animals? He spent all of Shadowbringers trying to convince the WoL to come over to his side, but never deployed that incredibly powerful argument? Why wouldn't he, if that was the case?

    Also - if non-sentient life was fine before, why do the inhabitants of the source have to be sacrificed later? Why wouldn't Emet-Selch say, "after we restore the world and your souls to your unsundered state, and bring Zodiark back, we will begin demanding tributes of farm animals in order to collect enough aether to bring our bretheren back, and then resume our place as benevolent stewards of the star"? He'd probably get way more people to cooperate with him with that.
    Yeah, this is very much the thing. For the third sacrifice to be a point too far, that third one needs to be severe either in what they're sacrificing or how much they're sacrificing. If that means 'sentient lives' to you then that's what it means to you, but it could also mean 'sacrifice all non-sentient plants and animals in South America' and that would still be an objectionably huge sacrifice. There's reasons we care about the Amazon rainforest after all, and it's not because the Amazon is sentient.

    If the third sacrifice was something on the level of 'let's sacrifice a bunch of cows and that'll do it', then that makes both sides look like fools; it makes Venat and her group look crazy for being mad about what's clearly a much lesser sacrifice, and it makes the Convocation look stupid for not doing that in the first place.

    The actual content of the third sacrifice is not important, but what matters is that it's a call worth going 'WHOA HEY HOLD UP HERE'.
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