Would Endwalker have been better if we never visited Elpis at all?

[Lauront]

There is absolutely nothing a critic hates more than criticism. If you give your opinion, people are allowed to have opinions on it. If you don't want that, keep it to yourself. This ain't a soap box.

Awfully defensive, aren't you? When I am hearing from people that posters didn't pay attention, with zero evidence (in fact worse than zero), I am going to call them out on that trite point, and no, I will certainly not keep it to myself, whether you like it or not - understood? Stamp your little feet all you like.

I've stated all my opinions many times in the Lore section. You can check this thread here.

Weird example to choose, that.

[BubblyBoar]

Awfully defensive, aren't you? When I am hearing from people that posters didn't pay attention, with zero evidence (in fact worse than zero), I am going to call them out on that trite point, and no, I will certainly not keep it to myself, whether you like it or not - understood? Stamp your little feet all you like.



Weird example to choose, that.

How so? What can you point out that you think has been misunderstood or not comprehended about the story?



Again, I see this line thrown around so often as some sort of retort to people who didn't enjoy the story. "You must not have been paying attention to XXX.".

What makes you think that the people who look deeply at the story and point out the contradictions and contrivances are the ones who aren't paying attention to the story? Just because someone takes something different away from the narrative does not mean that attention was not being paid.

It's because the last section of the Dead Ends was explicitly the end point of ancient society. So much so that the dev team confirmed it themselves. How can you look at how a utopia ended and not think "that society I visited early that was aiming for a utopia would end like this." You'd have to not be paying attention to not make that connection. And if not, you've got some interesting delusions about how a utopia would be.

Assuming that we dislike Elpis because we think it's a utopia is not criticism. You're putting words in our mouths.

If it doesn't apply to you, I'm obviously not talking about you am I?

[Lium]

Awfully defensive, aren't you? When I am hearing from people that posters didn't pay attention, with zero evidence (in fact worse than zero), I am going to call them out on that trite point, and no, I will certainly not keep it to myself, whether you like it or not - understood? Stamp your little feet all you like.



Weird example to choose, that.

I mean, weird or not, that's where I was posting after EW came out. So...either click it or don't. Totally your choice.

The problem with getting into lively debates with those that disliked the story is how defensive (and in your case) a tad hostile they get. There is the inability to differentiate between someone like me saying "Lots of people didn't get the story" and "Some people understood the story very well and just didn't like it."

The latter is fine and is why we are all here. To share opinions. The former aren't worth the key strokes to type a response to. Which if I'm being honest, is most of the people on the forums.

[Chie_M]

I mean, weird or not, that's where I was posting after EW came out. So...either click it or don't. Totally your choice.

The problem with getting into lively debates with those that disliked the story is how defensive (and in your case) a tad hostile they get. There is the inability to differentiate between someone like me saying "Lots of people didn't get the story" and "Some people understood the story very well and just didn't like it."

The latter is fine and is why we are all here. To share opinions. The former aren't worth the key strokes to type a response to. Which if I'm being honest, is most of the people on the forums.

We disagree on Endwalker, but I agree with you on this. These debates get way too hostile, way too quickly. We can be passionate about a video game without resorting to genuine anger, surely - all of us, on both sides.