What is with the constant mistreatment of the Garlean story?(6.1 Patch spoilers)

[MikkoAkure]

Meanwhile just this patch there’s Yshtola doing a magical girl impression and talking like a baby….

I don't think a single goofy line or a guy eating a burger with gusto is the equivalent of being blasted to the moon, dancing with gentleman zombies, Hildebrand dressing up as a teenage girl and then a geisha, or old people falling asleep mid-attack falling out of the sky.

It's really weird to get hung up on those few moments from the MSQ and compare it to something that goes WAY out of the way to be comedic. It's more in line with comedic relief moments from the rest of the Final Fantasy series and nowhere near as bad as a lot of FF7 where we have gems such as Cloud being put in a dress to sneak into a brothel, Cloud stealing Tifa's underwear, or a giant stuffed toy animatronic as a party member that uses a megaphone as a weapon.

[kpxmanifesto]

??

Yeah man, people who don't share your opinion are weird. Great take.

[MikkoAkure]

Yeah man, people who don't share your opinion are weird. Great take.

Y'shtola literally gets 1 funny line per expansion. Her saying something silly while summoning nixies isn't new and we had her threaten Alphinaud to forget seeing her naked body and "Little Sun". That being compared to a quest line where a greased-up old guy is summoned by a dance and chases down and suplexes his son to looney tunes sound effects is a little goofy. Especially goofy is saying that the one funny line is proof of the game's downward spiral when there's a bunch of much more valid critiques.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Y'shtola literally gets 1 funny line per expansion. Her saying something silly while summoning nixies isn't new and we had her threaten Alphinaud to forget seeing her naked body and "Little Sun". That being compared to a quest line where a greased-up old guy is summoned by a dance and chases down and suplexes his son to looney tunes sound effects is a little goofy. Especially goofy is saying that the one funny line is proof of the game's downward spiral when there's a bunch of much more valid critiques.

Yet she had numerous in shb and ew. Lets not forget her whole spanking thing. We had the scions getting sick in thavnair with them all making silly faces and being nauseous. We had Estinien being harassed by alchemists etc. It was one goofy moment after another yet this expansion was supposed to be oh so scary and serious yet every other moment its either slice of life or goofiness....yeah totally doesnt take away from the threat or immersion lmao.

I don't think a single goofy line or a guy eating a burger with gusto is the equivalent of being blasted to the moon, dancing with gentleman zombies, Hildebrand dressing up as a teenage girl and then a geisha, or old people falling asleep mid-attack falling out of the sky.

It's really weird to get hung up on those few moments from the MSQ and compare it to something that goes WAY out of the way to be comedic. It's more in line with comedic relief moments from the rest of the Final Fantasy series and nowhere near as bad as a lot of FF7 where we have gems such as Cloud being put in a dress to sneak into a brothel, Cloud stealing Tifa's underwear, or a giant stuffed toy animatronic as a party member that uses a megaphone as a weapon.

Context matters. Yes cloud dresses up as a girl to sneak into a brothel, a brothel and group that is known for human/sex trafficking and to also get info on the potential of a mass murderous event.

[EagleDynamics]

Y'shtola literally gets 1 funny line per expansion. Her saying something silly while summoning nixies isn't new and we had her threaten Alphinaud to forget seeing her naked body and "Little Sun". That being compared to a quest line where a greased-up old guy is summoned by a dance and chases down and suplexes his son to looney tunes sound effects is a little goofy. Especially goofy is saying that the one funny line is proof of the game's downward spiral when there's a bunch of much more valid critiques.

Lets be real. which is more weird? the person who gives a non-extreme opinion about the game or the person who tries to attack someone personally for giving that opinion?

[AmpelioB]

can someone sum up what have been talked in this thread?

[KizuyaKatogami]

can someone sum up what have been talked in this thread?

Nerva being build up all throughout SHB only to end up being a reused miniboss model in a random side quest. Garlemald being destroyed off screen. Varis getting a half assed designed fight. etc etc

[Rulakir]

That's one of my main complaints with Heavensward and while I thought it was well written and good storytelling, I hold it in lower regard than others do. That expansion managed to make even moogles feel heavy. People give Stormblood a lot of grief, but I thought the balance there was much better and they did successfully lighten things up instead of it just being one bad thing after another like Heavensward. I'm eager to see how XVI turns out but I do have concerns since it's the HW story team working on it.

I feel the opposite. This is one of the reasons HW is my overall favorite expansion. EW was particularly jarring with the abrupt and over the top comedic relief. It felt especially inappropriate after Zodiark, as such the moon is probably my least favorite zone. It's so thematically inconsistent. I would have otherwise liked the lopporits, but following the WoL being duped into bringing the Final Days back, for real, give me some time to process before throwing cartoon cuteness at me.

I feel like EW being developed during covid really hurt the story in more ways than one.

[Theodric]

Yeah man, people who don't share your opinion are weird. Great take.

Yep. Really not sure what's hard to grasp about my earlier statement outlining that Hildibrand was deliberately locked away in side quests because that style of humour was considered to be jarring for many and inappropriate for the MSQ's.

I'm also not sure why the poster in question is trying to gatekeep what is and isn't a 'valid take'. If she wishes to agree to disagree? Fair enough!

I don't mind a bit of humour here and there, though I'd rather fit the context and theme of what is going on at the time. In the unlikely event that one of the Scions died for real, I have my doubts that their fans would be happy if the game just immediately shifted into something tonally bizarre straight afterwards.

[Raven2014]

Yet she had numerous in shb and ew. Lets not forget her whole spanking thing. We had the scions getting sick in thavnair with them all making silly faces and being nauseous. We had Estinien being harassed by alchemists etc. It was one goofy moment after another yet this expansion was supposed to be oh so scary and serious yet every other moment its either slice of life or goofiness....yeah totally doesnt take away from the threat or immersion lmao.

Uh ... is FF14 your only Japanese game or media you have ever seen? This is not a FF thing, it's a Japanese/anime thing. They always have these kind of goofy thing irregardless of how serious the story is. I had watched anime, read manga and novel, live action move that have the core story 100x more serious than FF14 and the characters still gonna have their silly moments. Heck, even if you take something like Warhammer 40k and give it to a Japanese developers, they will make even a lord inquisitor or primach have their goofy moment. That's part of the culture of the medium.

Complain about goofy moments in a Japanese game is like complaining why water make you wet.