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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosha View Post
    ok, how do they work then and if they are so horrible why do we still use them on children with non-trans related issues?
    There's been correlation between them and increased cancer risk later down the line, to say nothing of variables most children are at risk for before hitting puberty. The reason many are banned from certain medications and whatnot at certain ages (typically below 10, I believe) isn't because they're suddenly wise come 11. It's because their immune system and most genetic functions haven't properly cemented yet and introducing that certain medication can cause problems that will aggravate to extreme degrees. I'm sure there are times where puberty blockers are worth the risk, if only to justify their existence, but using them nilly willy will make you vulnerable to many other medications that require a sufficiently developed body. These developments often only even beginning to occur, you guessed it, at puberty.

    EDIT: Also, "why do we keep using them if they're so horrible" is a hollow statement in a world with beer and cigarettes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vryn View Post
    We use them on children outside of trans issues which they were designed for because the condition they do have is worse than missing a few months of puberty, However that doesn't give you the right to then use puberty blockers on completely healthy children, you halt their development and when your talking about trans issues it's not for a week to months.

    The fact that this entered your mind as a valid argument is insane don't worry right mike can have the development of his genitals halted, along with a myriad of other body parts that only have a few years to develop it's incredibly cruel and sophistry at best.
    "However that doesn't give you the right to then use puberty on completely healthy children,"
    if mean if they fall with in the cretia of gender dysphoria in children in the DSM-5 they aren't healthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosha View Post
    "However that doesn't give you the right to then use puberty on completely healthy children,"
    if mean if they fall with in the cretia of gender dysphoria in children in the DSM-5 they aren't healthy.
    It's a mental condition, not a physical one. They grow out of it when puberty concludes.

    Talk about a disproportionate response.

    Quote Originally Posted by BrokentoothMarch View Post
    I'm... rather stunned you're arrogant enough to say this. No, you see, the correct thought isn't to self-analyze based on a book I doubt your ability to even understand. It's to find a pediatric psychologist if something is burdening the child that cannot be identified to the point of inhibiting normal and healthy function and will naturally require excessive research on the child as to minimize risks that can blossom from improperly administered medication as children, by their nature, are volatile and hard to predict.. What's the debate here? I don't even know. This is a pretty cut and dry process. Don't feed your kid anything other than food or what the doctor says. Anything beyond that is going to be questionable.
    This is why people are scared to have their children around the LGBT community.
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    Last edited by Vryn; 05-20-2022 at 05:31 AM.

  4. #344
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosha View Post
    "However that doesn't give you the right to then use puberty on completely healthy children,"
    if mean if they fall with in the cretia of gender dysphoria in children in the DSM-5 they aren't healthy.
    I'm... rather stunned you're arrogant enough to say this. No, you see, the correct thought isn't to self-analyze based on a book I doubt your ability to even understand. It's to find a pediatric psychologist if something is burdening the child that cannot be identified to the point of inhibiting normal and healthy function and will naturally require excessive research on the child as to minimize risks that can blossom from improperly administered medication as children, by their nature, are volatile and hard to predict.. What's the debate here? I don't even know. This is a pretty cut and dry process. Don't feed your kid anything other than food or what the doctor says. Anything beyond that is going to be questionable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrokentoothMarch View Post
    I'm... rather stunned you're arrogant enough to say this. No, you see, the correct thought isn't to self-analyze based on a book I doubt your ability to even understand. It's to find a pediatric psychologist if something is burdening the child that cannot be identified to the point of inhibiting normal and healthy function and will naturally require excessive research on the child as to minimize risks that can blossom from improperly administered medication as children, by their nature, are volatile and hard to predict.. What's the debate here? I don't even know. This is a pretty cut and dry process. Don't feed your kid anything other than food or what the doctor says. Anything beyond that is going to be questionable.
    I mean treatment is anything from counselling to social transition then puberty blockers at the extreme end. never did I say that every child with these issues needs to take them. but their use is accepted within the medical doctrine and has been used that way for decades.
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    Did you guys think I was advocating for giving children prescription medication without the intervention of medical professionals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vryn View Post
    I agree do I have to pay for toppings?
    No kupo and you get free kupo kupcakes <3 kupo lol
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    Kupo!

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    Holy cow this topic hit a 180 and is going off into friggin space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothicshark View Post
    Maybe where you live
    Yeah, no one cares what CA has to say these days. Oh, and that snippet does refute the guy’s claim
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    Quote Originally Posted by MellowMink View Post
    Many states have passed or are trying to pass legislation that either allows for discrimination against transgender people or outlaws scientifically backed transition altogether, with some perfectly healthy transgender kids already being cruelly ripped away from their parent; this is on video too.

    Multiple judges in the right-leaning Supreme Court have expressed interest in overturning the federal legalization of gay marriage, and some local governments have previously tried to defy newer rulings on it; it’s a very real possibility that this overturning could happen in the near future, especially given the new political precedent set by the expected overturning of Roe vs. Wade on purely partisan lines and related statements in the leaked majority opinion on what other kinds of cases are wanted to be overturned later.

    LGBTQ+ people in general are at higher risk of suicide due to social opposition, including in relation to hate crimes, “conversion therapy” also known as sexuality-related torture, not being able to transition when it’s medically recommended, and worries about families disowning them among other things. There’s also adoption-related discrimination, sports-related discrimination, and, until incredibly recently, legally allowed workplace discrimination that will still likely continue to happen albeit in a more subtle manner, among other unique obstacles that many LGBTQ+ people have to regularly worry about facing throughout their lives that the average straight and cisgender person won’t.

    Where do you get this baseless idea that nothing is currently happening to the LGBTQ+ community? What is that based on?

    Where the hell are you getting your information? Roe v Wade being overturned just gives it back to the states to decide, which essentially means it’s back in the hands of the people. Ya know, kind of how a constitutional republic is supposed to work (America is not a democracy). How you are conflating other things with roe v wade just shows that you have no understanding of the finer details and are merely being a useful idiot to politicians with agendas.

    The science backing transition is about as good as the science that the earth was flat.
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