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  1. #31
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    I prefer his videos where he takes on a more comedic tone. He had many of those videos back in ShB when he, along with a lot of other players were enjoying SAM. His recent videos, while making really good points, send off an air of condescension which quickly loses any sympathy I have. The videos feel more like hosting a pity party where there is more than enough copium to go around.

    I'm indifferent though. While I am as disappointed as anyone with the changes to SAM, and some design choices in general; I tend to view things from a lens that is zoomed out, and SAM weighs in as something currently unfavorable vs all the other things I do enjoy about the game. It's not enough to bring me to an unsatisfactory state with the game, and would take a fair bit more. Videos like the recent ones from misaphenchair make it seem like the sky is falling. No thanks.
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    Last edited by Gemina; 05-11-2022 at 03:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    I prefer his videos where he takes on a more comedic tone. He had many of those videos back in ShB when he, along with a lot of other players were enjoying SAM. His recent videos, while making really good points, send off an air of condescension which quickly loses any sympathy I have. The videos feel more like hosting a pity party where there is more than enough copium to go around.

    I'm indifferent though. While I am as disappointed as anyone with the changes to SAM, and some design choices in general; I tend to view things from a lens that is zoomed out, and SAM weighs in as something currently unfavorable vs all the other things I do enjoy about the game. It's not enough to bring me to an unsatisfactory state with the game, and would take a fair bit more. Videos like the recent ones from misaphenchair make it seem like the sky is falling. No thanks.
    Of course we prefer when things are merry and happy. But you know things are not right when a joker is being serious. Dude being serious just shows that he's real human with his own preferences. You can dislike his tone in that video but can't dismiss there's something wrong about it.

    I mean, making Youtube video takes so much more time than forum posts
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by CelestiCer View Post
    Ya I made a comment about that in another thread as well... while I havent' really been around much, are there any complaining Blackmage posts? as for the Video I gave it a like. It's really spot on
    BLMs will complain about the wonkiness of leveling and button bloat on mutually exclusive skills (Flare<->Freeze, Fire IV<->Blizzard IV, Ley Lines<->Between the Lines) but virtually never the complexity of endgame rotations.
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  4. #34
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    I hope that Squeenix takes over the PvP Job identity to PvE. It doesn't gave to be 1:1 the same kit, but the idea behind it, would be amazing.

    Also whike were at it, i think we should have by the time we hit lv70 (since that is the point, where we stop getting Job Quests and Role Quests take over) , all current Job Skills obtained, instead of just continuing that we just get 2-3 new Buttons and some Filler passives at the cost of getting more old Skills removed mid-expansion.

    It would be far better if we get selectable passives past lv70 that influence existing Skills, allowing not only customisation towards personal preferences, but it would also make Job adjustments as a whole alot easier from the Dev side.
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  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leemon View Post
    Of course we prefer when things are merry and happy. But you know things are not right when a joker is being serious. Dude being serious just shows that he's real human with his own preferences. You can dislike his tone in that video but can't dismiss there's something wrong about it.

    I mean, making Youtube video takes so much more time than forum posts
    I knew things weren't right back in 6.0, and no one really listened to me when I stated I did not like the direction SAM was going prior to any mention of Kaiten being removed and other 6.1 changes. Now that the house of cards has fallen, people are more willing to hear the truth? Why? Because now everyone is saying it instead of just a select few? That's a mob mentality, and that is what I dislike about videos like his recent uploads as they incite such rhetoric.

    I am not dismissing anything. There are ways to be constructively critical without spewing vitriol from every breath. Ranting is not one of those ways. I grow increasingly tired of content creators using their platforms to express their emotions, rant, and spin the echo chamber while operating under the guise of 'informing the community'. Essentially making video versions of what takes place on these forums.
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    FF14 players at large just really need to get over the fact people can find things to criticize in FF14 (even things that aren't on the pre-approved list of things your allowed to criticize, like the slowness of ARR and whatnot). It's not a sacred cow, and while there's a lot of goodwill for the game, community and the developers that people love to emphasize, you can take things to the extremes of toxic positivity. If the game can't handle your a bog-standard vitriolic youtube takes then it's already done for. Every game developer has to deal with that, you don't need to white-knight frigging Square Enix.
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    Last edited by ThorneDynasty; 05-12-2022 at 12:07 AM.

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    The one line in the video that stood out to me was "Why did anyone learn to play the job correctly if it is just going to be taken away?" I've dropped several jobs just for this reason.
    Who are these changes actually for? If there isn't a massive job rework across the board in 7.0, I don't know why they would butcher jobs as they have.
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  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggurat8 View Post
    The one line in the video that stood out to me was "Why did anyone learn to play the job correctly if it is just going to be taken away?" I've dropped several jobs just for this reason.
    Who are these changes actually for? If there isn't a massive job rework across the board in 7.0, I don't know why they would butcher jobs as they have.
    I think that at least some of the changes are due to the fact that they've kind of hit a wall in terms of the number of abilities a lot of classes can have, so they need to figure out how to "clean up" the jobs to prepare for "10 more years" worth of content. It's a typical organic growth bloat issue.

    Whenever you're taking the time to do that though, you don't want to need to do it again in 2 years, so they sit down and simplify the job to allow for 4-6 more years of job growth. SMN is a perfect example of this.

    BUT, they're doing it the "wrong" way. There are ways that they can clean up the jobs without really changing the core identity. Also, if this is the case, knowing this doesn't make up for the fact that those jobs clearly feel like a "low level" version of a job, despite being at max level.
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  9. #39
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    The whole clean up for the far future makes no sense though - why would you remove a job mechanism year 1 and add a replacement year 2? Yes, you probably have to start working on it little by little behind the scenes, but hold off on actually publishing seemingly pointless incremental changes. I would understand if they changed anything else that would make Kaiten problematic, but they didn't. Even if it's eventually necessary to remove it, there's zero reason not to push it back to a later release.
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    Last edited by ThorneDynasty; 05-12-2022 at 02:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggurat8 View Post
    The one line in the video that stood out to me was "Why did anyone learn to play the job correctly if it is just going to be taken away?" I've dropped several jobs just for this reason.
    Who are these changes actually for? If there isn't a massive job rework across the board in 7.0, I don't know why they would butcher jobs as they have.
    It took so long for me to find a job I liked only to get flamed for how bad I was at it on my 1st account. I decided to start over on a 2nd account, and practiced really hard on the one thing I do enjoy, my Samurai. Other jobs did not appeal to me. Rarely do I ever get compliments, I'm sure people can relate to that. I practiced hours and days on that darn Striking Dummy and it paid off. Helping parties left and right, even an occasional " thank you " or screaming in Voicechat hearing them cheer for a clear... it makes my day.

    Only to have all of this " Devalued " by these changes... why? why was I practicing so much only to have it all feel like it's diminished... that sentence hits home, the entire video honestly hits home for me. That frustration, that's what I feel. I enjoyed Samurai everyday, I breathed it, I loved it... and I type it in a pass tense for a reason... cause that's how it " used to be ". Will they fix it? I have no confidence anymore that they will. I'd even be surprised if they did at this point.
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