Is Pyromancer getting a perm ban for having Dalamud?

[Kenky]

The UI thing? Probably harmless. While it -is- a 3rd-party, I feel people are missing the mark a tad.

While yes, there are people who got banned (temporarily) for using ACT (Which Se has gone on record several times to say Dont Use It. and people deciding not to listen, that alone is smackable purely to prove a damn point..) there are also others that got banned for actively harmful stuff. Though not to players, but to the game.

Like the one person who actively data-mined and found the "hidden" mechanics in the DSR fight. Then strapped that to a bot to get it to play audio ques when said hidden mechanics come out, actively changing the fight by giving a tell when you shouldn't be getting one.

This is similar to why we are now forced to put markers down pre-pull and cannot move them when in combat. SE is finally showing their hand that stuff like that is not okay. Period. End of sentence. No ifs, ands or buts, no. None. Zero. We were given enough chances.

People already showed that being "Warned" about their naughty behavior doesn't bother them. If you know what you're doing is against ToS, yet you continue to do it and even decide to broadcast it to the public that you are doing so then frankly, you're in no real position to complain about being slapped for it. To be honest I'm surprised it took this long.

[Kolsykol]

is he getting banned for having a handwritten notebook full of notes and lore? it's not first-party, outside of the game, and makes it easier to enjoy...

You think that you have a point but you don't at all and what you're saying is a perfect example why a lot of the screeching about this is very hard to take seriously and why so much of this is just reaching like hell just to be mad about something.
What you're talking about doesn't interact with the game in any way, it's the same with Discord which I've seen others bring up as an argument.
Discord in no way interacts with the game itself, it's a third party software that is completely separated from the game.

Using ACT to actually interact with the game and make mechanics more easy to resolve is essentially cheating and it's directly interacting with the game.

The UI thing? Probably harmless. While it -is- a 3rd-party, I feel people are missing the mark a tad.

While yes, there are people who got banned (temporarily) for using ACT (Which Se has gone on record several times to say Dont Use It. and people deciding not to listen, that alone is smackable purely to prove a damn point..) there are also others that got banned for actively harmful stuff. Though not to players, but to the game.

Like the one person who actively data-mined and found the "hidden" mechanics in the DSR fight. Then strapped that to a bot to get it to play audio ques when said hidden mechanics come out, actively changing the fight by giving a tell when you shouldn't be getting one.

This is similar to why we are now forced to put markers down pre-pull and cannot move them when in combat. SE is finally showing their hand that stuff like that is not okay. Period. End of sentence. No ifs, ands or buts, no. None. Zero. We were given enough chances.

People already showed that being "Warned" about their naughty behavior doesn't bother them. If you know what you're doing is against ToS, yet you continue to do it and even decide to broadcast it to the public that you are doing so then frankly, you're in no real position to complain about being slapped for it. To be honest I'm surprised it took this long.

I actually do think that Pyro has advertised addons before, I am like 95% sure I've heard him do it on Stream when asked about it which IS something they do take action against.
It's one of the things Yoshida even brought up that if you choose to use them then don't advertise them to others.

Which if he was so gung-ho on getting people banned like people seem to think I dunno why he'd give that advise.

[ForteNightshade]

Like the one person who actively data-mined and found the "hidden" mechanics in the DSR fight. Then strapped that to a bot to get it to play audio ques when said hidden mechanics come out, actively changing the fight by giving a tell when you shouldn't be getting one.

I assume you meant TEA because this never happened with Dragonsong. Granted, it didn't with TEA either but at least the accusations were present. In both fights, people datamined the debuffs, which offers nothing more than an icon. They didn't make triggers based on any of these datamines because that isn't how triggers work. ACT straight up doesn't even function whenever new battle content releases, including Ultimate. Secondly, they can't make a trigger without know precisely what the game is relaying from the server. This necessitates actually seeing the mechanic themselves and performing it. The sole exception would be simple things like "in/out". Even then, you still need the aforementioned code due to say, Gnashing and Lash being different than Dyanmo and Chariot. At least in terms of how you'd write a trigger for it.

People who have absolutely no idea how these programs work should really stop talking about them. If you want to criticise their existence or what have you, by all means. That's entirely fair game. Just stop making wild assumptions on their functionality.

[Kenky]

I assume you meant TEA because this never happened with Dragonsong. Granted, it didn't with TEA either but at least the accusations were present. In both fights, people datamined the debuffs, which offers nothing more than an icon. They didn't make triggers based on any of these datamines because that isn't how triggers work. ACT straight up doesn't even function whenever new battle content releases, including Ultimate. Secondly, they can't make a trigger without know precisely what the game is relaying from the server. This necessitates actually seeing the mechanic themselves and performing it. The sole exception would be simple things like "in/out". Even then, you still need the aforementioned code due to say, Gnashing and Lash being different than Dyanmo and Chariot. At least in terms of how you'd write a trigger for it.

People who have absolutely no idea how these programs work should really stop talking about them. If you want to criticise their existence or what have you, by all means. That's entirely fair game. Just stop making wild assumptions on their functionality.

Then do -YOU- know why there were audio ques playing on certain people streams despite not being part of the fight? Seems pretty suspect. I will admit I don't know much about ACT myself, outside of it being a "damage meter" of sorts. But the fact it interacts with game information makes it punishable to use. While ACT itself may not have been the most "serious" of 3rd-party assistance.

The audio-ques played through a bot (which can be done. Plenty of people have done it prior with look-away mechanics as early as ARR) is certainly crossing the line, despite it being nothing more than another indicator of "Do the Mechanic." Your claim that 'People dont know until they do the fight' is ignoring the people who actively cracked into the files to find the strings.

Square Enix brought attention to this in their response. Actively calling out Dataminers. They wouldn't do that if there was no reason to.

3rd-party tools that interact with the game is a no-no. SE has shown to be "don't show, don't tell." If you don't broadcast that you're going against ToS, SE has no reason to investigate. But Streamers actively show they are violating ToS by being live. As such, people will definitely report them and SE will be required to investigate. This is how this entire thing blew up. The amount of people claiming SE is changing its rules clearly didn't read the ToS themselves.

And lastly, before anyone decides to claim they need ACT for whatever reason, you don't. You really don't. All of the defenses for it (with the exception of self-improvement) is questionable at best. SE even created this weird place that has been around since Heavensward (I think?) called Stone, Sea and Sky. Y'know. The place where you can go and practice against a target that performs some of the mechanics in the fight, while also seeing if you can reach enough personal DPS to pass.

[JudgeRAW]

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SSS is literally a target dummy. it does not allow you to practice any mechanics, whatsoever. It is also a poor indication of the DPS required since many have been proven to be either UNDERTUNED or OVERTUNED for different jobs, and they don't take raid buffs into consideration which is important for certain jobs (like DNC.) The only thing dataminers leak are models of things to come in the game and maybe debuff symbol. That was even cited in the letter by YoshiP. You literally cannot datamine mechanics because they are not included in the game data installed on someone's system.

No one would ever claim a parser is needed to play the game, or any game. But you remember how YoshiP said recently that higher skilled players should be more willing to help lower skilled players clear hard content? How do you think the higher skilled players got to be as good as they are? What allowed them to see the nuances of their roles so they know better about when you use certain abilities, or when to save charges for raid buffs, or what is the optimal rotation to play the job? Unless you use a parser there is NO WAY in the game to know what damage you are doing. At all, period. Parsers allow players to compare their performance to someone else and improve their gameplay. That is the primary use of them. You don't have to use them, no one does, but not everyone is going to play for the same reasons you do. Some people actually value being good at the game, some people absolutely value beign the best and that is perfectly OK. The toxic part is when people tell them they are wrong for wanting to be better than everyone else, because there is nothign wrong with wanting to be good.