The SAM changes - and the current direction of job balance - is LAZY. Here's why

[Vencio]

Fair valid point & I respect that,

Truth to be told we’ll yet see what 6.2 may unfold….too early to say anything at the moment for now; be it for it or not for it, it’s causing havoc amongst us all the same….it’s sad if anything.

The only updates we’ve received was that housing lottery issue & yet even then anything the devs says seems to be getting vague & distant each day.

[Soge01]

Made the job easier to navigate through,

You know what would have made the job easier to navigate through? Combining skills that essentially are just an AoE copy paste of their original single target counterparts.

There was no need to remove Kaiten and to mess up its overall damage capabilities.

Many of us don't mind change, so long as its handled well. Samurai was not handled well and now suffers from a chronic case of "Shinten" spam and wet noodle damage.

[cjbeagle]

Deal is done, can’t revert something that just came to be.

Dunno if you're familiar with how source control works, but rolling back changes literally takes less than a minute as long as you're not messing with giant files like maps, and even then it's like 30m tops.

Sure, they'd have to QA the reversion and get it into the next patch cycle, but you're making it sound nigh impossible when it's actually unbelievably trivial.

[Xenon_S]

I don't necessarily want to be "that guy", but I will bite this one time.
If you haven't even taken the job into extremes, or even just normal raids, it is quite difficult to take your opinion seriously.
You can probably get through the basic MSQ content not having casted a single iaijutsu and still get carried across no problem.
If Kaiten is reinstated and you found it too difficult to manage, you can choose not to press it and there won't be a real loss for the content that you are doing.
But for the players who engage with the gameplay on a deeper level, we feel the changes rather keenly and strongly.

I do admit that there are no small number of rather aggravated, guttural responses flooding the forums. But there are equally as many well thought-out, articulated, legitimate concerns being brought up, and many more reasonable and executable solutions proposed.

A well designed job will only benefit players at all skill levels, while poorly and lazily implemented changes will definitely alienate the players who care.

[butchersblock]

Anyway, I am well acquainted with the job; I just truly don’t care what “numbers/meta” delivers which is a mentality aspect that is so enforced within the hardcore players that deems it otherwise (if anything it’s far ridiculous). At the end of the day it’s all about how better you adapt & perform your job regardless of whoever’s outdpsing & frankly not every gives a fly; just follow mechanics & enjoy your job.

It really is such an entertainment to see a variety of repetitive posts about SAM changes dissatisfaction & no matter what logic you throw out it’s already done, get over it, play it or don’t bother & move on (unless your state of mind is that of a committed hardcore then you do you, just remember you’ve enslaved yourself into feeling limited & are in limbo).

I can guarantee you you're not "well acquainted" with your main job Paladin, let alone Samurai.
YoshiP explicitly stated that he was looking for feedback for 6.1 Samurai and Ninja, and that's what people are doing. Cry me a river about it.

[Randommob]

…I have a Lv.90 SAM & played it before 6.1 & still am & frankly I truly hardly feel any slight of the changes,

Incredible, never thought people would get triggered/ bothered whenever someone objects otherwise & ultimately assume the worst out of any scenario or any individual. What the hell ever happened with differentiated opinions?

Anyway, I am well acquainted with the job; I just truly don’t care what “numbers/meta” delivers which is a mentality aspect that is so enforced within the hardcore players that deems it otherwise (if anything it’s far ridiculous). At the end of the day it’s all about how better you adapt & perform your job regardless of whoever’s outdpsing & frankly not every gives a fly; just follow mechanics & enjoy your job.

It really is such an entertainment to see a variety of repetitive posts about SAM changes dissatisfaction & no matter what logic you throw out it’s already done, get over it, play it or don’t bother & move on (unless your state of mind is that of a committed hardcore then you do you, just remember you’ve enslaved yourself into feeling limited & are in limbo).

You said “enjoy your job”. Well i dont enjoy it atm and i want it to be reverted
You have your opinion, sure. However, when the entire sam main keep posting about reverting the changes, you should know that the change is bad. Majority win you know

[M_Red]

Fully agree with everything. I never had any sort of issue with the amount of actions I took as a Samurai. It felt perfect to me, with Kaiten being like a cool focus move you can do that you’d see in a movie, before a powerful slash attack. It was VERY satisfying to see the finishers hit, especially when they would do so much damage thanks to you knowing what you’re doing (Ogi, with Kaiten and when both slashes crits, did about 120k damage for me!).

Now, it just feels generic. Just a ‘meh’ move now, with them dealing far less damage than they should.

They even nerfed the second slash on both of the finishers, which are NEEDED to be stronger than the first to make them feel like they are worth it. Now they are just a literal copy of the first. Originally they we’re stronger because you couldn’t use Kaiten on them, so they gave it that buff naturally by simply increasing how strong it is. Now that they removed it (and no, the auto crit does NOT make up for the damage in any way, with Ogi barely doing 60k damage now), it just feels like what’s the point? Increasing the damage of some of the attacks by 10 to 20 points doesn’t make up for it either (they also lowered the strength of other moves too).

There are two things they could have done to make Samurai better than this:

1: Lower the cooldown for Ogi by at LEAST half. With its new power, it does not deserve a full two minute cooldown in any way. That way, it could be used more often to make up for its greatly lowered damage and it’s nerf. The other finisher (sorry I forgot the name of it. It’s the normal one you have when you get all three symbols) could have stayed at the same power with the auto crit added.

2: Keep the finishers at the same power with auto crit. That way, even though they would be weaker without Kaiten, they would still always crit, making up for the times they don’t.

As it is now, I both refuse and cannot use Samurai anymore. It feels so much weaker now, and the numbers I see for it match that feeling when I do damage. Before, my Samurai would do FAR more damage than Reaper did, but with the nerfs, Reaper does far more damages now.

And I know some will say that it’s because it’s slower, but when I can use the transformed state literally about three to four times within 90 seconds, with each slash doing 18k to over 22k, up to 28 to 30k with crits, as well as the finishing blast often doing about 30… well, that greatly out powers Samurai now. Keep in mind that at the time the gear in my Reaper wasn’t as good as Samurai as well, since I used to main Samurai!

I can’t argue with the numbers I see for myself. I know people say the difference is only 3% less overall for Samurai, but the numbers I personally see are vastly different.

So yeah, as a Samurai Main, I can’t use it anymore, so I switched to Reaper. Kinda Monk too but it isn’t leveled up yet. At least most of the gear for my Samurai will work well for Monk!

[M_Red]

im new on the endgame content like savage/ultimate and now i am scared of try to learn in deep a job and SE simply destroy in one patch.
DRG now is my fav melee job and SE say they have plans for DRG on the patch 6.2, just dont want to see another fun job get destroyed because SE made changes (that NOBOBY asked for).

To be fair, I personally do think that Dragoon could use some changes. I have it maxed out, but every time I use it I felt like I was babysitting a time of cooldowns and charges, much more than the other classes. But it did become easier to manage after 6.0 came out. Even my friend who fully mains Dragoon said she’d like to see some changes to it.

That’s just me and my friend’s personal opinion though. It can still do a great amount of damage and can be fun to play!

But after the changes with Samurai, I am afraid as well to see what they would do with it. Who knows though? Maybe they will actually do a good job with that one?

[Flashy]

I hope the monkey that worked on SAM stays away from DRG, praying for my jumping homies.

[Vencio]

Guaranteed? Very boldly stated,

Far be it from it you clearly don’t know my playing style nor is it your concern,

I have no whatever you deemed “acquainted” with a specific job if by referencing the performance of Savage/Extreme history which I clearly don’t engage nor bother, and that doesn’t inherently speak highlights of how to understand a playing job (got to love your ignorance but won’t press further).