a full lengthy discussion about reporting and actions taken against accounts.

[kaynide]

That is exactly my point, it states erotic roleplay right there in the EULA and says if it is conducted in a private area that it will NOT be considered a violation(sanctioned) UNLESS

That's not what it says. It says it is reportable anywhere, including private places. It's only not a problem if it isn't reported. Just because you drink beer at 17 years old at your mom's house doesn't make it a sanctioned thing. They are literally saying "don't get caught".

Twinking is an actual roleplay term and is exactly why BOOSTED Twink was chosen as the rank name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinking

It's also a term describing sexuality.

Do I really have to explain to you why "But I really like Buddhism, why can't I wear a swastika t-shirt!?" doesn't fly?

And what other pornstars names? Im going to have to ask that you stop making accusations and spreading rumors please. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Your FC Member List
Julia Taylor, Tammy Rose to name two.

And I suppose "Nymphetamine" is based on a love of fantasy Nymphs, who are so beautiful and lovely.

Also, btw, in the EULA. Not something they really enforce, but if nothing else, they have grounds to get you on the name alone, let alone any nonsense shenanigans you're doing.

3.5 Naming Right. You may not use any name or other intellectual property belonging to Square Enix or any other third party in your use of the Game (for example, naming a character after a celebrity, company, product, or superhero).

I don't care about the whys or whats. You did the bad. Accept it with grace, learn to stop doing the bad, move on.

[HisShadowX]

Hello, I would like to talk about the reporting system and how actions against people are taken, and why and how this system should be changed and what they can do to implement better policy and etiquette to deal with those being punished.

I would ask that you go into this post and see me as a FFXI player who loves FFXIV and has played both games for many many years and cares about the game and community, and not as a salty person who just got suspended for 20 days, because I am very respectful and can admit wrongdoing and accept my punishments for it. This game does a great job of allowing you to express yourself.

In my recent case, I feel like my repeal should be overturned. My FC tag is why I was suspended, it was "ERP", short for the name Elite Roleplayers. This has been my FC name and tag for 6 years. Obviously its a silly play on words, but even taken as "Erotic" instead, this is now a term within the EULA and sanctioned by SE as something acceptable to do within the game, so long as it is not public.

My friend also pointed out that people were talking about my suspension and that of others because people currently are deliberately reporting others for any and everything they possibly can in an attempt to lessen the amount of participants in upcoming lotteries for housing. So I would suggest everyone be very careful, or SE please look very carefully at why people are being reported in the upcoming weeks, and all the more reason i request that my person suspension be looked into, because seemingly, this is why i was reported, and if it holds, you are allowing players to get away with exactly what they are planning on doing.

3.3 of the EULA was cited as the reason for my ban, which is Profanity or Innappropriate language, neither of which I feel my FC tag or the Slogan they added to the reasoning fall under.

So that sucks. I am not a fan of FFXI players in general but if you have a guild for Elite Roleplayers and yeah it uses a term that's been co-opted by people who do bad things then yeah that sucks. I remember when I was 1st grade and showing people my boo boo on my finger and everyone got upset and then when I showed my teacher my boo boo she got offended and had me taken out of class. I was confused and my parents were upset because I stuck my middle finger up at everyone including the teacher.

I told them I did not know showing people my middle finger was like using a bad word. They told me, "you should know!" I told them, "but you never taught up me that is a bad word" and they didn't care.

Some things sadly OP 'you should know' and that's how society sees it.

[cooker]

How do suspensions work exactly? As far as I know people aren't automatically suspended just because they received a report. Like if your Tag was just "XYZ" and someone reported you out of spite saying your tag was inappropriate, I can't imagine that would happen, but I don't have any experience with this as i don't think I have reported anyone or been reported so IDK.

That being said, what was your FC slogan? Genuinely curious as it was part of why you were suspended but I don't think you mentioned what it was. Merely having a "ERP" tag seems inocuous enough since at worst you would be implying that your FC is for ERP, but that alone wouldn't mean you are trying to ERP with unconsenting people, though I could see it going either way and maybe they are harsher with you because you already had 1 strike before this.

Oh, FF14 has a detailed FAQ about penalties https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...he%20violation It looks like they will give warnings, etc. for minor things and penalties are based on penalty points. So maybe you have gotten multiple reports about this and it hit the threshold that you got suspended. Or maybe a more minor violation led to a suspension because they penalize repeat offenders more harshly and you already had a strike.

All in all, I get that it is frustrating to be punished for something, especially after you were not punished for it for a few years, but not being punished for a while doesn't mean you never will be. You don't have to walk on eggshells to avoid a 3rd strike, just don't say lewd things (directly or in a tongue-in-cheek way like "ERP"). I mean you knew what you were doing lol.

This whole thing reminds me of when I tried to get a nickname on my Senior shirt back in HS, got called out by the vice principal for it being a beer reference and trying to defend it with some BS excuse that I actually did research to have ready. He listened to my defense and replied (correctly) that it "it's still a beer reference" and that was that lol.

[kaynide]

@Cooker: It's all pretty simple and your beer story from high school is about the gist of it.

Play stupid games, get stupid prizes.

If people report you for whatever reason it is reviewed by living breathing people who look at what is presented. If you did nothing wrong, nothing happens.

If you did, you typically just get the GMs to talk to you about the problem and your punishment. They can't tell you who reported, and will very generally direct you towards the section of the EULA/ToS you broke. Sometimes they are very vague, but if you get a ban you very much did something dumb or wrong. Were it something innocent, OP would have gotten a warning and a request to change names or some such. This is a second ban...so I hesitate to accept the "BS excuse" we're getting.

[Canadane]

That being said, what was your FC slogan? Genuinely curious as it was part of why you were suspended but I don't think you mentioned what it was. Merely having a "ERP" tag seems inocuous enough since at worst you would be implying that your FC is for ERP, but that alone wouldn't mean you are trying to ERP with unconsenting people, though I could see it going either way and maybe they are harsher with you because you already had 1 strike before this.

Their old FC slogan was even more telling now that I found it.
I contemplated posting it but I think it's vulgar and sexually explicit enough I'd get in trouble just for doing so. Let's just say it had to deal with certain fluids.

[Toutatis]

"ERP", short for the name Elite Roleplayers.

You know very well what the ordinary meaning of ERP is in a role playing game and pretending otherwise when your fc is filled with characters using porn stars names (btw there’s also a rule about using names of third parties) is taking people for fools.

the EULA literally states "ERP" as Erotic Roleplay is acceptable within it now, so long as it is not public

No, it doesn’t say that. All it says is that SE won’t take action against “mildly sexual expressions used between a consenting group of two or more players, if it is conducted in a private area” if such expressions are not reported. In other words, they will take action if it is reported (it is at your own risk and the TOS are clear) and/or if they are not just “mild” sexual expressions.

Concerning those “mild sexual expressions” the TOS also indicate that

As you can see, expressions that fall under this category are generally prohibited

. The tolerance comes at multiple conditions which I listed above.

The TOS also say

Please note that Square Enix may issue a penalty at its discretion even if a report has not been filed but the act was found being conducted in public areas such as Say and Shout, search comments, Party Finder, on online video/streaming services, if the behavior is found to violate real world laws, or if it may be considered a problem based on the game's entertainment board ratings.

Really, how hard is it to understand? The game is rated PG-13 and SE has a responsibility of keeping it so.

[Ghostwk]

That's not what it says. It says it is reportable anywhere, including private places. It's only not a problem if it isn't reported. Just because you drink beer at 17 years old at your mom's house doesn't make it a sanctioned thing. They are literally saying "don't get caught".



It's also a term describing sexuality.

Do I really have to explain to you why "But I really like Buddhism, why can't I wear a swastika t-shirt!?" doesn't fly?




Your FC Member List
Julia Taylor, Tammy Rose to name two.

And I suppose "Nymphetamine" is based on a love of fantasy Nymphs, who are so beautiful and lovely.

Also, btw, in the EULA. Not something they really enforce, but if nothing else, they have grounds to get you on the name alone, let alone any nonsense shenanigans you're doing.


I don't care about the whys or whats. You did the bad. Accept it with grace, learn to stop doing the bad, move on.

those are NOT pornstar names LOL. please stop making things up. Honestly it is kind of telling that you picked out all the female names/ characters and targeted them to be "porn star" names.

and i dont think i have to explain to you why you are overexaggerating on the rest. It is clearly mentioned that it is generally accepted UNLESS it is reported.

[Ghostwk]

You know very well what the ordinary meaning of ERP is in a role playing game and pretending otherwise when your fc is filled with characters using porn stars names (btw there’s also a rule about using names of third parties) is taking people for fools.


No, it doesn’t say that. All it says is that SE won’t take action against “mildly sexual expressions used between a consenting group of two or more players, if it is conducted in a private area” if such expressions are not reported. In other words, they will take action if it is reported (it is at your own risk and the TOS are clear) and/or if they are not just “mild” sexual expressions.

The TOS also say

Really, how hard is it to understand? The game is rated PG-13 and SE has a responsibility of keeping it so.

so what is EROTIC if not MILD then? LMFAO. you all are acting like i was ERPing in public or advertising my FC when in fact i was not doing either. I wasnt even in town for more than an hour over the course of this entire week because i was too busy preparing for Ultimate. And if it is a PEGI 13 game, why did they add a strip club and a stripper pole to the game then, sexually suggestive emotes and clothing?

[Ghostwk]

Their old FC slogan was even more telling now that I found it.
I contemplated posting it but I think it's vulgar and sexually explicit enough I'd get in trouble just for doing so. Let's just say it had to deal with certain fluids.

the Slogan has nothing to do with the suspension, it is reviewed along with why the actual report was filed and tacked on after the fact. which is exactly why i said the system is flawed and why i should have been notified of that during the offense if it was seen as profanity etc back then, the GM could clearly see my FC tag along with my name and see that it was ERP and look at my FC when he was looking at the CWLS etc. I also clearly posted what the FC slogan was while changing the spelling purposely to avoid conflict, so you arent making any shocking revelations here.

[kaynide]

those are NOT pornstar names LOL. please stop making things up. Honestly it is kind of telling that you picked out all the female names/ characters and targeted them to be "porn star" names.

Seriously?

SFW links btw.
Tammy Rose (goes by other aliases like Tammy, Tommy, etc)
Julia Taylor

What is “telling” is how dumb this is. I wouldn’t be surprised if these were all your alts in a 1 man FC.

Edit: Someone later said these links were not "SFW"; I have ad blocks etc so I just see blocks of text. My ad-block says no popups, no lewd pictures. Not sure what their issue was.