Solo fight to unlock savage tier

[HyoMinPark]

I think it would help the raiding community out a lot if there was a solo encounter required to unlock the savage tier that replicates the DPS checks found later in the tier. My static has gone through several group members who could not perform a rotation (or even any abilities at all for that matter) while moving. This lead to situations where mechanics were getting cleared, but the enrage timer could not be bested. The members that did know what they were doing tried every little thing in their power to increase damage output, but could do nothing to change the outcome.

The fights are fun. Going through the process of questioning yourself when you are doing everything right is not a fun, and is a major reason parsing exists in FFXIV. Most players are not in a good position to teach another player how to play their job, or what the best setup for that player might be. As the game is built right now, people can go from 24 man raids where players can win through a war of attrition straight into a savage tier raid where a high level of mastery is required. In my opinion, it would be better for all parties involved if we had to clear a performance check as a prerequisite for unlocking the savage tier.

I don’t really think adding a single solo fight would solve the issue of people trying to join statics while having zero idea how to play their jobs properly. That’s a problem that has roots dating back to level 1 and the fact that this game does not provide any meaningful advice on how to play a job, nor any meaningful feedback if you’re doing well or doing poorly. Players that want to do better have to basically teach themselves with third-party resources. The game doesn’t help them in that regard, and if you get a person unwilling to seek out those third-party resources, a solo instanced trial isn’t going to help them either.

[MsMisato]

I think it would help the raiding community out a lot if there was a solo encounter required to unlock the savage tier that replicates the DPS checks found later in the tier. My static has gone through several group members who could not perform a rotation (or even any abilities at all for that matter) while moving. This lead to situations where mechanics were getting cleared, but the enrage timer could not be bested. The members that did know what they were doing tried every little thing in their power to increase damage output, but could do nothing to change the outcome.

The fights are fun. Going through the process of questioning yourself when you are doing everything right is not a fun, and is a major reason parsing exists in FFXIV. Most players are not in a good position to teach another player how to play their job, or what the best setup for that player might be. As the game is built right now, people can go from 24 man raids where players can win through a war of attrition straight into a savage tier raid where a high level of mastery is required. In my opinion, it would be better for all parties involved if we had to clear a performance check as a prerequisite for unlocking the savage tier.

No just no.

[Fendred]

I don’t really think adding a single solo fight would solve the issue of people trying to join statics while having zero idea how to play their jobs properly. That’s a problem that has roots dating back to level 1 and the fact that this game does not provide any meaningful advice on how to play a job, nor any meaningful feedback if you’re doing well or doing poorly. Players that want to do better have to basically teach themselves with third-party resources. The game doesn’t help them in that regard, and if you get a person unwilling to seek out those third-party resources, a solo instanced trial isn’t going to help them either.

On the upside, it would let them figure out if savage raiding is something they want to do. The introduction of enrage mechanics completely changes the challenge involved in the game that was introduced from level 1 (which is survival is enough). Unlike starting from level 1, the difficulty curve is much more tight, and it immediately throws the player into an 8-man arena. I agree a gating quest is a blunt instrument.

[Syln]

Don't see why not, i mean why would you want someone that don't really know what he is doing in your savage party ? That would be a good filter to prevent awkward situation and even slightly reduce run selling for those unable to match the requirement.

[VerdeLuck]

A very small minority of players even attempt savages as it is, and you want to make it even harder and more exclusive to even be able to try them? I don't think more gatekeeping is the solution to the problem.

[forsakee]

A very small minority of players even attempt savages as it is, and you want to make it even harder and more exclusive to even be able to try them? I don't think more gatekeeping is the solution to the problem.

Agreed I honestly think a lack of in game dps meters is a huge contributing factor to OP's issue. I play on ps4 and there is 0 chance I would have figured out reapers best rotation (2x enshroud) along with perfect sam rotation on each savage fight. I used to raid in wow years ago at a top 1k world wide and I honestly thought I was doing decent until a friend helped me out.

I think it would help the raiding community out a lot if there was a solo encounter required to unlock the savage tier that replicates the DPS checks found later in the tier. My static has gone through several group members who could not perform a rotation (or even any abilities at all for that matter) while moving. This lead to situations where mechanics were getting cleared, but the enrage timer could not be bested. The members that did know what they were doing tried every little thing in their power to increase damage output, but could do nothing to change the outcome.

The fights are fun. Going through the process of questioning yourself when you are doing everything right is not a fun, and is a major reason parsing exists in FFXIV. Most players are not in a good position to teach another player how to play their job, or what the best setup for that player might be. As the game is built right now, people can go from 24 man raids where players can win through a war of attrition straight into a savage tier raid where a high level of mastery is required. In my opinion, it would be better for all parties involved if we had to clear a performance check as a prerequisite for unlocking the savage tier.

Also I can make the argument that one soul dps is not the issue meeting dps checks. I wonder what boss original post is working on now? I wish they would open dps meters for savage/ultimate content.

Not to mention there would be tons of variables that would be needed to balance a solo "savage" fight for each job, then do you require each job to be unlocked? Seems like far more issues and a ton of resources that could be used to fix other ingame systems

[Raoabolic]

Didn't you hear? Gatekeeping is a toxic tool. :^)

[VerdeLuck]

Agreed I honestly think a lack of in game dps meters is a huge contributing factor to OP's issue.

DPS meters are never coming to this game, the developers have been very clear about that one.

[forsakee]

DPS meters are never coming to this game, the developers have been very clear about that one.

Yep sadly but I also think It's stupid too think every player could figure out ideal rotation for every fight without any tools outside of game.
ps4 problems =(

[Deceptus]

Stone Sea Sky is a solo encounter that replicates the DPS checks found later in the tier.

I'm 100% for making SSS for that fight mandatory before you can enter EX or above content.