My message to DEVS about job balancing.

[Fireon999]

I want to speak to job balancing team. Are u in captivity of your greedy superiors? If so give us a sign, because changes of classes is simply not smart. Man, who loves this game cannot think off nonsense, which you did to Samurais in 6.1. No one asked you about it and its saying a lot about your competence. I'm so angry, i can't find words for this changes. And now you ignoring my brothers and sisters Samurais for 2 week, pretending you don't see our suffering. I hope you will find strength inside you to change the direction of job balancing to a different path, wich will lead to receiving more fun from playing and learning a job. Im sorry for being rude, but it's what i feel, and i can't silence myself.

[SleeeeeeepySleeeeeeep]

There there. Welcome to the club of "SAM 6.1 change is so fucking ridiculous people had to make a forum account to speak up".

Seems like they seriously believe they can just hide until everything blow past. Fucking pathetic.

[Ceridwen]

There there. Welcome to the club of "SAM 6.1 change is so fucking ridiculous people had to make a forum account to speak up".

Seems like they seriously believe they can just hide until everything blow past. Fucking pathetic.

I absolutely loathe gaming forums. (maybe all forums, actually) But I've been here every day, on the forlorn hope there'd be a response, (consisting of, 'Ok, we're reverting it & we'll fix our issues with the class after more thought, taking into consideration the very good suggestions you've all given, & btw, thanks for the feedback.')

Hope springs eternal!

[ty_taurus]

I absolutely loathe gaming forums. (maybe all forums, actually) But I've been here every day, on the forlorn hope there'd be a response, (consisting of, 'Ok, we're reverting it & we'll fix our issues with the class after more thought, taking into consideration the very good suggestions you've all given, & btw, thanks for the feedback.')

Hope springs eternal!

Healers have been complaining about the role's design since Shadowbringers, and Stormblood also had complaints but was more mixed rather than largely negative. Nearly every change we've seen since the end of HW has felt like something in direct opposition to the feedback given about healing both on the English forums and the Japanese forums. There seems to be this weird resistance to wanting to acknowledge the forum feedback in any way, shape, or form, so it's very difficult to understand where the player feedback they are listening to is coming from.

[Ceridwen]

Healers have been complaining about the role's design since Shadowbringers, and Stormblood also had complaints but was more mixed rather than largely negative. Nearly every change we've seen since the end of HW has felt like something in direct opposition to the feedback given about healing both on the English forums and the Japanese forums. There seems to be this weird resistance to wanting to acknowledge the forum feedback in any way, shape, or form, so it's very difficult to understand where the player feedback they are listening to is coming from.

I hope it isn't Reddit! Or the game will devolve utterly into cute/naughty memes forever.

[CKNovel]

Jobs getting easier is nothing new. It has been going on since Stormblood.
Some were streamlined in very good ways, for example the removal of Heavy trust that wasn't engaging. But not all were good.

HW was convoluted , it made sense they never wanted to go back to that kind of difficulty.
Which wasn't exactly difficult, but more about micro management almost (if not all) jobs had a DoT, every job had buffs, sometimes multiple such as MCH that needed to chain 3 of those.
Some jobs had a boring buff to maintain, think about WAR buff or RPR debuff that somehow survived.

SB deleted a lot of old actions to make the jobs easier. Some jobs were quite hard of with a very tight burst window. But it was alright and made sense for a lot of jobs. MCH didn't had to chain 3 buffs.
But a lot of job lost some complexity, many jobs lost their dot for example. Since we got gauges, it was a fair trade.

ShB went a bit further and already crossed lines with some jobs. We can think of DRK and MCH, while their rework was welcome they both suffered from automated tools that brought nothing to the gameplay.
DRK Dark side is now so useless it could be invisible you wouldn't fail to keep it at 100% uptime.
LS and AQ being terrible design choices, they met their limitation within the exact same expansion, at 5.1 already they had problems. We're in 6.1 and these problems remained unfixed.


EW simply went too far.
MCH and DRK barely got anything despite their reworks supposed to be a "new base for future expansions".
SMN got a rework that is a big middle finger to the veterans.
Healers were still ignored despite the addition of SGE.
SAM lost their identity and their gauge went from the best to among the worst.
NIN is getting reworked each patch, Trick attack is finally nerfed to 120, get ready to see Mudras being gone in 7.0.
MNK lost a lot of complexity despite ShB 5.4 rework supposed to be a "new base for future expansions"

This is the result of SQEX simplifying the jobs again and again over the expansions.
And they already knew about it, many complains were left ignored in ShB.
Today it blows up to their faces.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Seems like they seriously believe they can just hide until everything blow past. Fucking pathetic.

It’s worked for them with healers. Who’s to say it won’t work for this.

[MikoRemi]

It’s worked for them with healers. Who’s to say it won’t work for this.

It’s partly too many people used to games hardly changing regardless of feedback as a whole, but also that the FF14 playerbase tend to not be very vocal or critical about these sorts of things. With more of an outcry we would be able to reach further, and hopefully things can change soon. I expect more from FF14 because of how great it is, and I want to see it get better. I want to imagine the developers want to do the same, we just have to get louder.

[Fireon999]

Jobs getting easier is nothing new. It has been going on since Stormblood.

HW was convoluted , it made sense they never wanted to go back to that kind of difficulty.
Which wasn't exactly difficult, but more about micro management almost (if not all) jobs had a DoT, every job had buffs, sometimes multiple such as MCH that needed to chain 3 of those.
Some jobs had a boring buff to maintain, think about WAR buff or RPR debuff that somehow survived.

SB deleted a lot of old actions to make the jobs easier. Some jobs were quite hard of with a very tight burst window. But it was alright and made sense for a lot of jobs. MCH didn't had to chain 3 buffs.
But a lot of job lost some complexity, many jobs lost their dot for example. Since we got gauges, it was a fair trade.

ShB went a bit further and already crossed lines with some jobs. We can think of DRK and MCH, while their rework was welcome they both suffered from automated tools that brought nothing to the gameplay.
DRK Dark side is now so useless it could be invisible you wouldn't fail to keep it at 100% uptime.
LS and AQ being terrible design choices, they met their limitation within the exact same expansion, at 5.1 already they had problems. We're in 6.1 and these problems remained unfixed.


EW simply went too far.
MCH and DRK barely got anything despite their reworks supposed to be a "new base for future expansions".
SMN got a rework that is a big middle finger to the veterans.
Healers were still ignored despite the addition of SGE.
SAM lost their identity and their gauge went from the best to among the worst.
NIN is getting reworked each patch, Trick attack is finally nerfed to 120, get ready to see Mudras being gone in 7.0.
MNK lost a lot of complexity despite ShB 5.4 rework supposed to be a "new base for future expansions"

This is the result of SQEX simplifying the jobs again and again over the expansions.
And they already knew about it, many complains were left ignored in ShB.
Today it blows up to their faces.

I see it. Actually i quit playing in heavensward, because i went to travel in real life and returned only 3 months ago to find that game had changed significaly. I found that my previous favourite job - monk have lost his GL mechanic and i don't like it anymore. I started to play SAM. 7 years in my travels i dreamed that someday i will play this job, since i first saw it in SB trailer. And i played it with so much joy. I cleared Stormblood and SB content and then 6.1 came and destroyed it. When i read that they removing kaiten it all was like im in a bad dream, like i'm in parallel reality, in a realm of absurd.

[Vatom]

I see it. Actually i quit playing in heavensward, because i went to travel in real life and returned only 3 months ago to find that game had changed significaly. I found that my previous favourite job - monk have lost his GL mechanic and i don't like it anymore. I started to play SAM. 7 years in my travels i dreamed that someday i will play this job, since i first saw it in SB trailer. And i played it with so much joy. I cleared Stormblood and SB content and then 6.1 came and destroyed it. When i read that they removing kaiten it all was like im in a bad dream, like i'm in parallel reality, in a realm of absurd.

Ah yes.. Slow clap and entrance Ive been saying this since SB and Now they see lol

Note Grease wasn't gone till Shb that vacation was longer then you thought jk
but Such devastation this was not my intent maybe the rose goggles are gone now
Maybe that 6 months of not having content did something to people or maybe the other 6 months of no content
who can say at this point but Ill be here watching the chaos and whether is dies or ignites us all