New Alliance Raid is severely undertuned.

[Ath192]

I've seen two threads in as many days that went completely of the rails with insults back and forth. SE is asleep at the wheel? Or doesn't really care anymore.

Unsure. The company seems to be a bit saturated with work TBH they do seem more unresponsive than usual but content and reworks are definitely ramping up along with the graphics, PVP, criterion dungeons, multiple ultimates, deep dungeons, glamour dressers, server upgrades etc.

These companies also tend to run their teams lean by nature (maximize profit) so when all of a sudden they need to go through a revival, since COVID and the SHB were periods of stagnation they tend to stop paying attention to the peripheral stuff

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

The only problem is that you are looking at this theoretically. The reality is MOST of the people running this content will be closer to ilvl 585 or 590 because this game gives 590 Tomestone gear that can be farmed every week. So in practice NO ONE is close to the low ilvl it was designed for. Hence everything burns down quickly.

I think you likewise underestimate just how many people are the 'sub for MSQ & new content, do it all in 1-2 weeks, then let sub lapse' kind of people that have come rushing back due to 6.1 dropping after they let their sub lapse after completing EW.

Across 10 runs Aglaia last week, it was lucky for me to find anyone above 590. Maybe 3-4 of them per alliance out of 24 people, most were sitting with mixes of moonward/AF/crafted/tome and the average ilvl was much closer to the 575 range. That, and the fact that unless you really want a glamour piece, you're going to be more naturally dis-positioned to queue up as an alt job for gearing purposes for the need option, a job that likely has zero weekly tome gear.

[Vahlnir]

I think Aglaia balanced fun with challenge pretty well, though I do feel the bosses might need just a tad more HP.

[Packetdancer]

The only problem is that you are looking at this theoretically. The reality is MOST of the people running this content will be closer to ilvl 585 or 590 because this game gives 590 Tomestone gear that can be farmed every week. So in practice NO ONE is close to the low ilvl it was designed for. Hence everything burns down quickly.

I mean, yes, but you'd be surprised how many players don't get the capped tomestone gear (I know I was), or who are running the alliance raid on alt jobs that they haven't geared. Heck, I just got reaper to 90 yesterday and I can tell you, my maiming gearset is rather lacking compared to my healing, fending, scouting, or aiming ones; I didn't have RPR or DRG up to 90 until yesterday, so maiming hasn't been where my tomestones of astronomy have gone.

Moreover, as the first alliance raid of the series, I imagine they don't want to set a minimum ilevel of i580 and require people to spend large sums of gil to get Classical gear (which is still pricy-ish by some players' budgetary standards) or wait week-by-week until they've got a full set of Radiant gear in order to run the raids. And if they set the ilevel lower, the duty has to, theoretically, be survivable and able to be cleared if all 24 people are geared to that minimum and no higher; the fact that you'll never have that everyone-is-minimum scenario in roulettes is, to some extent, immaterial to that specific requirement.

This isn't to say I don't think Aglaia could use a little bit more tuning to hit a bit harder and let the bosses soak a little more damage, as noted. But I do also think we're maybe looking at the tuning with skewed expectations there; I'd actually be curious to put together a 24-person premade wearing nothing but artifact and Moonward gear and see if it still feels undertuned to any significant degree. (It might! I dunno. Like I said, I have noticed the lower-geared folks surviving things I wouldn't expect them to. But it might also feel a lot crunchier.)

Regardless, I'm betting that the second raid of the series will not need to serve quite so broad a range of gear levels as Aglaia does, so will probably feel at least a little better tuned/more crunchy.

[Velnora]

Elden ring isn't that hard. Its mostly preparation and patience

and no its not an obsession, its that stuff is so incredibly undertuned that healers are outright not needed for most content, 3/4 tanks literally cant die unless its an instant kill and enrage timers either dont exist or are so low it doesn't matter

Found the magic user, lol.

[Ath192]

I think you likewise underestimate just how many people are the 'sub for MSQ & new content, do it all in 1-2 weeks, then let sub lapse' kind of people that have come rushing back due to 6.1 dropping after they let their sub lapse after completing EW.

Across 10 runs Aglaia last week, it was lucky for me to find anyone above 590. Maybe 3-4 of them per alliance out of 24 people, most were sitting with mixes of moonward/AF/crafted/tome and the average ilvl was much closer to the 575 range. That, and the fact that unless you really want a glamour piece, you're going to be more naturally dis-positioned to queue up as an alt job for gearing purposes for the need option, a job that likely has zero weekly tome gear.

I don't know what to tell you there, I guess this thread must be spot on then if people in moonward and AF gear are busting the first boss before the second tank buster in Duty Finder lol. Personally I thought it was fine but if this is true then yes, its awfully undertuned.

[TaleraRistain]

I'll have to disagree with OP. Not that they don't make good points. They are good points. But I think the things listed are good changes. Raids being more forgiving means people don't stress as much about deaths. This raid feels much more laid back and a lot more people (minus saltiness on the final boss mech) seem to be enjoying themselves a lot more. It may be under tuned in comparison to past raids, but I just can't agree on that being a bad thing when seeing the positive effect on the general community. It's possible the next two raids may be tuned higher, but I don't see it as a loss if they aren't. I see it less as SE doesn't think we're capable. I see it as they want to make the experience fun and I think they succeeded at that. I've seen a lot of praise for this raid and people eager to keep running it.

[SamsaraTrickstar]

well ye it on the easy side of things. did not see a 1 wipe in there eve day 1. we was down to 1 party standing but did i any ways. so over all its the most easy raid so far. but they make the game easy more and more. so don't be surprise when in 7.0 extremes be more easy as well to the point any one can do them.

[SamsaraTrickstar]

I don't get this forum obsession with turning every content into savage.
Just go play Elden Ring if you want to stress your hair out over pixels.
If you don't find FFXIV engaging enough go do Ultimate like Yoshi-P says.

boy ulti is one thing. no one say it need to be savage just as hard as the raids before it. how its even ok to be so easy 1 party can kill the boss? we don't even get to a limit brake 3. clearly something wrong here.
but if you want content that you don't even need to look at to do go play auto play mobile games.

[BaconBits]

Found the Moonveil user, lol.

Fixed that for you .

All joking aside, Elden Ring and Souls games in general are only as difficult as you make it. Nothing stops you from cheesing the absolute hell out of the game with every tactic in the book, from peppering enemies with poison arrows or bullying them with Scarlet Rot, to skipping past fog gates and wailing on a defenseless boss until they die.

Even disregarding cheese, you can always just summon your spirits or other players to help take the edge off. God knows the Mimic Tear spirit puts in work when you need it.