Housing update 3 is up.

[HisShadowX]

So the lottery was still BS as even the numbers that won and a real person did not get Zero the fact that the number Zero was a Factor in the lottery means the winning person won well competing with the number Zero so if there was no number Zero in the drawing another person could have won.

Bottom line those who won the house are not real winners and they should be stripped of their house and a redo must occur.

Glad for those who exp the issues and hope they fix it soon. I wasn't one of them since I lost the ishgrad large to someone else. Guess Im forever be in the goblet with its bad large placement and design(the cafe house you have to walk thought the flower plots since its right infront the damn gate). Ill keep trying but with most the wards being FC only there are only two open large private larges now, one in shino and the other in lav bed.

The person didn't beat you or really win. The lottery was bugged and they should loss the house. Bottom line the lottery used the number 0 in the draw which meant even the houses who went to a person that draw also used the number 0 to factor it in. So if the number 0 was not in the drawing someone else might have won.

If I throw in the numbers 0 through 10 in a drawing there is a chance 0 will be chosen, but it will affect it will lower the chances for the other numbers to be chosen. If we remove the number 0 from a drawing and have the numbers 1 through 10 the chances of the other numbers to be drawn will be different.

Even for those who won the houses it is not legitimate due to the factor of including the number 0 in the draw.

[MistakeNot]

So the lottery was still BS as even the numbers that won and a real person did not get Zero the fact that the number Zero was a Factor in the lottery means the winning person won well competing with the number Zero so if there was no number Zero in the drawing another person could have won.

Bottom line those who won the house are not real winners and they should be stripped of their house and a redo must occur.
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Where did you get that nonsense from? Not true any of it.
There was no competing with the number Zero. The lottery itself ran correctly, and those who won it did so correctly.
The problem was that in many cases the results of the lottery weren't communicated to the game servers, at which point they displayed that the winner was "Player 0". SE has records to figure out who actually won in those cases, so no redo is necessary.

[Greyhawk]

So the lottery was still BS as even the numbers that won and a real person did not get Zero the fact that the number Zero was a Factor in the lottery means the winning person won well competing with the number Zero so if there was no number Zero in the drawing another person could have won.

Bottom line those who won the house are not real winners and they should be stripped of their house and a redo must occur.




The person didn't beat you or really win. The lottery was bugged and they should loss the house. Bottom line the lottery used the number 0 in the draw which meant even the houses who went to a person that draw also used the number 0 to factor it in. So if the number 0 was not in the drawing someone else might have won.

If I throw in the numbers 0 through 10 in a drawing there is a chance 0 will be chosen, but it will affect it will lower the chances for the other numbers to be chosen. If we remove the number 0 from a drawing and have the numbers 1 through 10 the chances of the other numbers to be drawn will be different.

Even for those who won the houses it is not legitimate due to the factor of including the number 0 in the draw.

Incorrect. No one lost to zero - that was a display issue in not showing the winner of the lottery. It had 'zero' to do with the bidding entries themselves. C WUT I DID THAR?!?!?

[Mirhd]

... I wouldn't pay HisShadowX any mind, really. Dude shows up from time to time to troll, though is hardly the only one. Better for ones' mental state to not engage at all.

[LittleImp]

A staged rollout probably would have helped catch and mitigate this problem, as much as players wouldn't have liked it. It does indeed seem like it comes down to a difference between their testing environment and production environment that prevented them from catching the error in QA.

Even for those who won the houses it is not legitimate due to the factor of including the number 0 in the draw.

The error was not related to the draw itself. It was a communication error that prevented the true results from propagating to the housing server. 0 was likely a placeholder value that was chosen to appear in the case that such a thing happened, which would prevent the house from being awarded to anyone in the case of such an error.

In other words, in cases where someone acquired a house the lottery functioned as intended.

[NanaWiloh]

This is a joke, i already was wondering when the next lottery round will be and now you cant even buy/bid anymore because they broke the system. Dont say have some testservers to try out bit changes like that before they go live?

They test stuff but testing does not reveal everything. A patch can work fine in testing but develope a bug the moment it goes live. Or develope a bug when a patch is applied or a server restart happens.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

... I wouldn't pay HisShadowX any mind, really. Dude shows up from time to time to troll, though is hardly the only one. Better for ones' mental state to not engage at all.

Careful, he'll say you go around to all threads he posts in 'attacking' him because you want to get high off 'righteous indignation'! Or something equally inane.

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Anyway: to that one poster mentioning "lol none of the complainers show up now that things are answered" - here I am, a 'filthy complainer', saying I'm appreciative of the communication and attempts to fix the issue.

I'm also here to say it never should have occurred in the first place. QA testing should have caught this issue early on before it ever went live, or at the very least they should have tested this under expected conditions such as emergency maintenance or server crashes. Their looking into this particular issue also does not negate the plethora of others that have been going on for years untouched, nor the poor response to players being understandably upset by various issues since EW's release.

I don't really know what you expect of people who are dissatisfied and unhappy with all of these issues (not just housing) to do? Throw ourselves on the ground going "oh thank you based Yoshi-P for saving the lotto system! thank you for fixing one singular issue! Thank you for acknowledging a problem exists and not sweeping it under the rug like so many others"? Most are probably appreciative of the notice and the fact they are going to endeavor to not just fix the issue but reimburse people who should have fairly won a house but didn't. But them fixing one singular issue doesn't exactly negate the existence of all other issues, nor is enough for people to forget about them.

It also doesn't make this entire housing system any less horrid than it is. They've had ample time to fix it, improve it, allocate resources and server space to it, and have continuously chosen to bandaid fix it over, and over, and over, and over. Forgive us if we're running out of understanding when this has been an ongoing issue for years, that players have repeatedly voiced displeasure over.

[Ocicatthedruid]

While this is great for the players who received the "0" bug and are getting a good resolution, it still doesn't address the issues player housing have had for 10 years now, namely that most player are locked out of owning their own homes due to the limited supply. This "0" issue wouldn't even be an issue if there were plenty of houses to go around for everyone. I really hope that after this uproar SE finally takes notice and does something that allows EVERYONE to partake in the the housing portion of the game and not be limited by the limitations of apartments or FC housing (where only the top people get to do stuff). Maybe Island Sanctuaries will fulfil this role. Hopefully SE illiterates on what these will actually allow in the near future.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Careful, he'll say you go around to all threads he posts in 'attacking' him because you want to get high off 'righteous indignation'! Or something equally inane.

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Anyway: to that one poster mentioning "lol none of the complainers show up now that things are answered" - here I am, a 'filthy complainer', saying I'm appreciative of the communication and attempts to fix the issue.

I'm also here to say it never should have occurred in the first place. QA testing should have caught this issue early on before it ever went live. Their looking into the issue also does not negate the plethora of issues that have been going on for years untouched, nor the poor response to players being understandably upset by various issues since EW's release.

I don't really know what you expect of people who are dissatisfied and unhappy with all of these issues (not just housing) to do? Throw ourselves on the ground going "oh thank you based Yoshi-P for saving the lotto system! thank you for fixing one singular issue! Thank you for acknowledging a problem exists and not sweeping it under the rug like so many others"? Most are probably appreciative of the notice and the fact they are going to endeavor to not just fix the issue but reimburse people who should have fairly won a house but didn't. But them fixing one singular issue doesn't exactly negate the existence of all other issues, nor is enough for people to forget about them.

QA doesn't catch everything.

I work for one of the US' biggest telecoms. They ran extensive tests and certified a version of firmware for the NICs used on a server platform. Thousands of servers effected (physical, not VMs). This certified version randomly sees an active link as down, and the only resolution is a hard power reset. It didn't get found during certification because it's completely random and while the issue is frequent, it wasn't discovered during the certification process.

No QA system will ever find every bug. It's not possible or feasible.

SE at least, owns up to their mistakes (or at least the XIV devs do). It's why there is such goodwill.

You can point to all the negative threads here all you want, but generally speaking, they are all made by the same smallish group who all agree with each other. They made their own little echo chamber and anyone who disagrees is "white knighting".

They are just as bad, if not worse, than those who say SE makes no mistakes lol.

[Mirhd]

Careful, he'll say you go around to all threads he posts in 'attacking' him because you want to get high off 'righteous indignation'! Or something equally inane.

He can do that all he likes. Doesn't change the fact that outside of the post you quoted and this here, I've mentioned him a grand total of twice. Also, considering how bland my post was... /shrug

QA doesn't catch everything.

I work for one of the US' biggest telecoms. They ran extensive tests and certified a version of firmware for the NICs used on a server platform. Thousands of servers effected (physical, not VMs). This certified version randomly sees an active link as down, and the only resolution is a hard power reset. It didn't get found during certification because it's completely random and while the issue is frequent, it wasn't discovered during the certification process.

No QA system will ever find every bug. It's not possible or feasible.

SE at least, owns up to their mistakes (or at least the XIV devs do). It's why there is such goodwill.

You can point to all the negative threads here all you want, but generally speaking, they are all made by the same smallish group who all agree with each other. They made their own little echo chamber and anyone who disagrees is "white knighting".

They are just as bad, if not worse, than those who say SE makes no mistakes lol.

This. As nice as it would be for things to work perfectly 100% of the time... that's not physically possible (or even sane to expect). Things will slip through the cracks from time to time and/or only crop up in certain environments. Best one can do is own up and fix the issue.