New Endwalker dungeon is more of the same cookie-cutter bland dungeon design

[Lauront]

My group and I are still progging P2S. Besides we're here talking about dungeons not raids so let's stick the topic at hand. Also my progression in a raid doesn't invalidate my concerns. Hate elitests like you, really tick me off thinking your opinion is higher than others because you care to do something that some of us couldn't give to craps for. Honestly I don't care for doing the savage raids.

Yeah, there seems to be a failure of communication somewhere. What people are mostly asking for is the normal content to not be braindead and for more midcore content, and particularly content you can keep busy with; PVP content can fill that role but honestly its design in this game isn't fit for that task and not everyone likes PVP. So saying "go do savage or ultimate" to me is just totally missing the point. We'll see what the criterion dungeons bring, but I'm not expecting much.

[Thoosa]

It especially sucks if you’re not really into trials or raids (even though I’ve done them previously) - I much prefer dungeons, but sadly can’t see something like M+ here without them actually making things more dynamic.

[KizuyaKatogami]

The thing with people saying players wouldn’t take the branching paths….a simple solution, while somewhat basic, it would be better than the straight cookie cutter hallway we have. Have dungeons force a plot between the group, tank and healer get split off together, dps get split off together, maybe mix it for different dungeons so it’s tank and dps and healer and dps, and then have it be randomized what group goes on which split for each dungeon, kind of similar to the whole alliance different platform thing in alli raids. Even that would go a long way i feel and wouldn’t necessarily “force” people to go out of their way to go on branching paths, but would still give them that experience and let them see new parts of the dungeons outside of their first run.

[KazumaFaemura]

Yeah, there seems to be a failure of communication somewhere. What people are mostly asking for is the normal content to not be braindead and for more midcore content, and particularly content you can keep busy with; PVP content can fill that role but honestly its design in this game isn't fit for that task and not everyone likes PVP. So saying "go do savage or ultimate" to me is just totally missing the point. We'll see what the criterion dungeons bring, but I'm not expecting much.

I've tried PVP especially frontlines and it can be a fun time from time to time but it's not something I find myself actively wanting to back to, same with the deep dungeons. POTD and HoH were "fun" but not something that I'm thrilled to go back to.

[ICountFrom0]

The Endwalker dungeons might as well be the same dungeon with a different skin. It's the same copy-paste pathing and mob placement. Bosses have pretty much no unique flavor either. None of these dungeons offer ANY sort of challenge whatsoever when it comes down to it.

It's really sad that this seems to be the new norm.

Given that this update removes mechanics and simplies a LOT of dungeons in ARR, it seems that turning things into ff13 style hallways is the future of the game.

No complexity, no mechanics, nothing to learn or do, just... grind.

[KazumaFaemura]

just... grind.

Something something Elite Dangerous XD

[NanaWiloh]

The thing with people saying players wouldn’t take the branching paths….a simple solution, while somewhat basic, it would be better than the straight cookie cutter hallway we have. Have dungeons force a plot between the group, tank and healer get split off together, dps get split off together, maybe mix it for different dungeons so it’s tank and dps and healer and dps, and then have it be randomized what group goes on which split for each dungeon, kind of similar to the whole alliance different platform thing in alli raids. Even that would go a long way i feel and wouldn’t necessarily “force” people to go out of their way to go on branching paths, but would still give them that experience and let them see new parts of the dungeons outside of their first run.

Anything that takes away a players choice is forcing..back the drawing board.

[WaxaGhonsasa]

They don't design hard dungeons anymore because when they did people complained about Demon Wall being too hard, so they nerfed it to irrelevance. The sad fact is that the majority of the players are mouth breathers and Yoshi-P is content with catering to them.

[Amenara]

Even if they did something as basic as have a hallway branch in 3 directions, letting you choose the order you kill the bosses, maybe the order influencing the mechanics the other bosses left do. Any level of creativity when it comes to dungeon design would be great.

[NanaWiloh]

Even if they did something as basic as have a hallway branch in 3 directions, letting you choose the order you kill the bosses, maybe the order influencing the mechanics the other bosses left do. Any level of creativity when it comes to dungeon design would be great.

Perfect example of choice and filling that exploration itch..