6.1 Samurai: the Kaiten removal was the right choice but it's not enough

[WorldPeacElbow]

I love how the original post hasn’t had a single star/upvote yet. Not even a spicy take just a dead wrong approach

Because no real samurai main agrees with this take. Just goes to show you.

[SeverianLyonesse]

Cooking steak is an obligatory action before every Ieatsteak cast - might as well get rid of that action and just eat it raw. Some say that cooking it first adds flavor, but that's a silly reason to do something even if it's true.

Thread just got Zantetsuken'd. Go home everyone.

[Huasnowborne]

I'm a samurai main and with all do respect , removal of kaitan crossed the line for me. I saw you got a lot of back clash for agreeing about the removal. You see SAM and BLM are selfish dps classes. Therefore it's only natural that they are the hardest classes to master. If you are a casual , you don't even have to complain about anything coz you can just ignore buttons you don't like and still do really good in dungeons. The closest example I can give is like an exam, you need to study really hard to get into really great universities like Harvard(ie.highest dps). What you are suggesting is "Let's make it very easy to get into Harvard" then what's the point of studying hard when everyone can be harvard student. It will kill job diversity more or less coz people like playing easy op classes and Sam will become one if we keep going in this direction. Also every samurai main who persists and tried to master this class come to appreciate the flavor of kaitan , i mean literally every samurai main I know.(I mean by samurai main, highly skilled Sam Mains). I'm not sure why you like the removal of kaitan but the only people I know who agree with this are you and other people who thinks samurai is hard.

If I have to quote cjbeagle from the post above "Cooking steak is an obligatory action before every Ieatsteak cast - might as well get rid of that action and just eat it raw. Some say that cooking it first adds flavor, but that's a silly reason to do something even if it's true." . This is a perfect representation of what we all samurai mains feel right now. Eating the steak raw SUCKS!

[Randommob]

Shoha II is middling. It is unnecessary and bloaty to a degree, but it does still have a distinct function with distinct animations.

Tsubame-Gaeshi is a lazy POS. It has no flavor, it is directly contradictory to SAM's job identity, and it has no unique animation. There is absolutely no reason why Tsubame-Gaeshi couldn't be completely replaced with an actual follow-up ability with its own animation like say Shoha II.

I will die on this hill.

With you on this, replace tsubame geashi with new pvp lb, that would give me a hell lot of dopamine

[VincentH]

Terrible take and i'll consider myself baited by this post if that was your main goal. Good job for being the 0.00000001% of SAM players who somehow someway agree with this change and even have the audacity to say that "it's not enough". No one asked for this change, no one wants a rework unless its REALLY good.

[DarthManwe]

You know, you're right.

Remove it all. Remove SAM, DRG, NIN and MNK.

Just RPR. Remove all tanks except WAR. Remove all healers except SGE. All ranged except MCH. Make MCH only one button, called "Emotional Damage."

Fuck it, you know, just remove it all. No combat.

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[Ransu]

You know, you're right.

Remove it all. Remove SAM, DRG, NIN and MNK.

Just RPR. Remove all tanks except WAR. Remove all healers except SGE. All ranged except MCH. Make MCH only one button, called "Emotional Damage."

Fuck it, you know, just remove it all. No combat.

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[RaevusAstra]

The amount of toxicity, sarcasm, and gatekeeping in this thread is extreme.

People can have different opinions and change their minds with new information regardless of what stance you're on.

[Ironbars4564]

SAM is not as fun for me to play without Kaiten. The Kenki gage is now just basically a Shinten gage. The skill required to get your optimized burst out under raid buffs is reduced. The class is now easier to play, and therefore the reduced damage is justified.

[CelestiCer]

The amount of toxicity, sarcasm, and gatekeeping in this thread is extreme. /People can have different opinions...

That is very true, so I'll give a METAPHOR...

We love Pizza! and the Cheese is great! gives it amazing " Flavor " but our Cheese is replaced with CowSh*t. Were angry yet someone is yelling how " CowSh*t was the right choice, but it's not enough " as in don't stop there.

We know Pizza. Cheese on Pizza is universally accepted by Pizza lovers, impossible to argue. Yet the claim that we all should eat CowSh*T Pizza over Cheese? and encouraging to not stop there? Seems like false feedback. Who would love CowSh*T pizza? But even crazier? having people defend that opinion... I know right? And you can! But Pizza lovers will question if we both love Pizza cause Pizza and Cheese we want that back vs encouraging... the dismissive hottake of CowSh*T Pizza because CowSh*T on Pizza is...ya know, to put it blunt... quite literally Sh*T.