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  1. #151
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    Sove92's Avatar
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    Soveia Shadowsong
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    Odin
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Colt47 View Post
    It wasn't permadeath, it was more a thing done for immersion. It's just that I think the AI for the trusts tries to raise people who are downed during the fight, and if one of those other npcs gets knocked off, it could probably lock out the other trust NPC that is responsible for casting raise from taking actions. It is a quality of life improvement, but given the AI stuff it just feels that some of it is being done for making trusts work.
    I don't believe for a moment that Trust AI had anything to do with this change, or in fact, the majority, if any of these changes. The AI is more than capable of doing mechanics, unless a specific party member is explicitly programmed to do something stupid (like how Mothercrystal goes, only Y'Shtola is programmed to consistently dodge AoEs), or the player is actively preventing them from doing so. They are really consistent with them.

    This change was also done for 8-man trials, that are not supported by the AI.
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  2. #152
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sove92 View Post
    I don't believe for a moment that Trust AI had anything to do with this change, or in fact, the majority, if any of these changes. The AI is more than capable of doing mechanics, unless a specific party member is explicitly programmed to do something stupid (like how Mothercrystal goes, only Y'Shtola is programmed to consistently dodge AoEs), or the player is actively preventing them from doing so. They are really consistent with them.

    This change was also done for 8-man trials, that are not supported by the AI.
    I'm not so sure about this, trust AI consistently has trouble dodging two aoe that overlap a bit. The amount of times I have watched urianger confidentely step out of one aoe only to still stand in another made me very doubtful of the trust AI.
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  3. #153
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    Kaurhz's Avatar
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    Asuka Kirai
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    Sagittarius
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    Hate to be that guy but you know there's a solution to this besides unnecessary nerfs?

    Don't get knocked off.
    Avoiding getting knocked off is not a justification for seemingly very poor game design. Insta-death alone is perfectly fine.
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  4. #154
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    Saber Maxwell
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    Faerie
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    I disagree that permadeath is a bad mechanic but do agree its not needed in normal and hard mode. In extremes or higher which should have permadeath on arena knock-off, it encourages players to play defensively about the arena edges and, more importantly, devalues raise as a mechanic that gets abused to zombie a party through to the end of fights. Permadeath in a fight gives death a consequence, in other words, it's why landslides became so legendary among early ARR players in the first place. You couldn't mess around with them.
    I'll cap this off by saying that Titan NM and HM don't need it and it's good that they got rid of it, but EX should have kept it and they never should have stopped with permadeath from falling off in higher difficulty fights.
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  5. #155
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    Faafetai's Avatar
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    Tai Natuia
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 85
    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    A lot of players are playing with bad latency and poor FPS. I can remember when I started playing - I was on a toaster of a computer (barely met the minimum system requirements at the time) with a slow internet connection.
    Aye this, my friend from Brazil couldn't even see the lines on the ground one time, Titan just went into the turn animation and instantly cast the push back. My partner was doing the wondrous tales while I was at work and forgot to turn the vpn on and even moving when the lines first appeared moved and got yeeted anyway extremely late after he thought he was safe.

    You can also get murdered by your team bursting you from the rock if you are freed within the yeet lines. You can't move right after freed because you are stunned for a small amount of time. I think it is sad. I would much rather prefer the sprout going through the fight their first time to actually get to play the duty they may have spend 20 minutes or more to queue for.
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  7. #156
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    Bellsong's Avatar
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    Wondrous Waifu
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    Coeurl
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Oh no, the 10's of people running these extremes synched for some reason! How will they cope!? If SE's willing to change this, how long before ultimates are just QTE's!?!?

    Lmao, this junk is goofier than the people fear mongering about how SE was going to make the story hyper PC and woke cause they changed the sage job icon.
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  8. #157
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    Sigma5's Avatar
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    Swan Lanza
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    Coeurl
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Stone Vigil is literal aids, It's one of the worst dungeons in that rotation, Close to keeper of the lake. I'm Glad they are changing it.
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    I survived because the fire inside burned brighter than the fire around me. - Joshua Graham

  9. #158
    Player KizuyaKatogami's Avatar
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    Kizuya Katogami
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    Cerberus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    Oh no, the 10's of people running these extremes synched for some reason! How will they cope!? If SE's willing to change this, how long before ultimates are just QTE's!?!?

    Lmao, this junk is goofier than the people fear mongering about how SE was going to make the story hyper PC and woke cause they changed the sage job icon.
    it was hyper pc and woke tbh. The devs trying to tell people that suffering is necessary. Please. Also, let’s not try to argue that just because it’s a minority that it affects, it doesn’t mean it’s okay. Otherwise you have the same mindset as the people behind the horrible hrothgar hair situation.
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  10. #159
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    Mello Minkus
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    Faerie
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    Summoner Lv 90
    I don’t think people being unable to play the game anymore no matter what any other party members are able to do is fun game design, so I’m all in favor of people being able to be raised with weaknesses in these older instances now.
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  11. #160
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    Mika Zahard
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Juun View Post
    To those complaining when was the last time you sat down and went to do these duties?
    Since you're trying to smug, i'll tell you: I got stone vigil a week ago via leveling roulette, and got titan hard on roulette as well (didnt help that my healers were bad enough to get knocked out of the plattform after seeing the indicators).
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