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    Edweena Ermagherd
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    Delete Kenki lol

    There's been a lot of discussion about Kaiten's removal and I was wanting to just express how detrimental it is to the kit upcoming so much that you could essentially delete Kenki as a resource and UI element and effectively have the same game feel on Samurai.

    With Kaiten's removal, kenki offers nothing but a resource you dump on Shinten (there is the AOE and Hissatu abilities but they don't change anything).
    With the most recent changes to Samurai (AND Ninja) kenki is losing a lot of it's already minor intricacy since the 1 minute windows no longer have a raid buff, ie trick attack, to benefit from.
    So we're losing a 1 minute pooling window, while our 2 minute pooling window gets 50 free kenki often in the same GCD (if you double weave) which undermines the importance of pooling unlike other jobs, many of them who don't get half of their resources for free in that window or even generate anywhere as near as much of said resources on average due to RNG mechanics or flat out lower rates.

    There's already so much working against the point of thinking about the importance of pooling kenki alone, nevermind Kaiten's removal rids us of the one thought process from kenki management:
    Do I have enough for Kaiten if I use Shinten?
    It's not a massive thought, but it alone justifies the existance of the kenki resource as something to be managed, otherwise they can just go and make Shinten into an OGCD CD with multiple charges just like Bloodletter / Rain of Death on Bard.
    From there they can just remove the kenki bonus from Ikishoten (either it gives 1 charge of Shinten, or the ability is replaced entirely with Ogi Namikiri), and remove the cost of using either Hissatu ability (especially since it costs even less Kenki in Endwalker now and Ikishoten just gives it all the kenki it needs and more so why should it cost anything?).

    Since Kenki as it exists going into this patch will be made so redundant, the UI element will be very close to being a burden that just clutters the UI up. Shoha isn't something we can even try pooling since you have to spend it before your next Iaijustu, and the mentioned issues with pooling being undermined going into 6.1 just makes it more redundant.
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    Continued:
    I didn't even mention anything about subjective, and just as important, things like Kaiten's flavour, animation and etc.
    Many of my issues arise from the mechanical standpoints going into 6.1 alone, and find it deeply dissapointing when better solutions exist already in other jobs for the original "button bloat" mistranslation.
    Upgrade Shoha into Shoha 2 JUST LIKE Paladin did with Spirit's Within to Expacion!
    Merge Ikishoten, and Ogi / Kaeshi Namikiri into one button JUST LIKE Gunbreakers Savage Fang Claw or w/e it's called combo.
    Give up one of the Hissatu abilities since one or the other barely gets used in most content, give the other AOE falloff!

    And in regards to the "action bloat" APM original translation they can just increase the cost of shinten, and decrease the damage bonus from kaiten so they maintain relative value to one another.
    You don't end up in a trap where you wouldn't have enough kenki for kaiten if they instead nerfed kenki generation, and the moves kaiten would be used on can still get those sweet guaranteed crits, while not being exceedingly strong from kaiten's bonus.
    This all reduces the "apparently a problem" APM problem of Samurai while maintaing the thought process behind kenki being something you actually manage, and even more so which is better than a glorified Soul Gauge lol.

    Otherwise why should we have Kenki at all when we just press Shinten when it glows? When we press Shoha when it glows? You can throw kenki off screen and perform nominally the same in 6.1 at this rate.
    I could only find these changes acceptable if something was offered in place of the removals like entire mechanical introductions as they would with a new expansion and it's abilities, and HIGHLY suggest they hold off or revert these changes until said expansion and come up with something better.
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    Last edited by Edweena; 04-04-2022 at 10:23 AM.

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    Raansu Omiyari
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    I honestly wouldn't be surprised if shinten ends up costing more kenki. But ya, with guren and senai being on 2 minute CD's and kaiten getting removed, kenki really is just pointless now.
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