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  1. #1051
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    SieyaM's Avatar
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    Sieya Mizuno
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhalya View Post
    That is sadly not the player's fault but the fight design fault. The heal checks in ffxiv PVE are so low and predictable that you can map out your oGCDs to cover them in all the savage fights. We have such strong recovery options that even if something is going badly you can mash 3-4 things and everyone is again full HP.
    So yeah it is understandable nobody was happy about a RNG Bole draw when they already had enough other things planned and prepared for the tank to survive. In EW setup all the jobs have even more defensives and heals so it would be even more useless.
    With this fight design there is absolutely no need to keep people on high or full HP at all times but you can see new players always doing it (curebots) as they are used to other MMOs where it was a thing.

    However in other MMOs or even here in PVP, there is random and unexpected incoming damage so every extra mitigation is welcome, every extra heal is welcome. That is the main difference. In frontline on my melee or healer I gladly take a defensive ability over offensive one but in PVE nobody would.

    And the aoe balance, the math just adds up - buffing the damage of everyone always sums to larger amount of total gain for the party so yeah that was the best thing to do, buffing a single person could be fun for you and him but that doesn't mean you helped your party the most.
    You may not have helped the party the most, but I think something players need to come to terms with is that not every run is going to be world first or top parse, and there is a small minority of players aiming for even those things. The first iteration of card effects was enough for the majority of players to have fun with and feeling like they were contributing without simply DPSing more. Once it came down from the raid community that spread balance was the only thing worth going for it filtered into all other aspects of the game, and suddenly if you're running roulette and not balance fishing then you're playing wrong and need to be kicked form the group.
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  2. #1052
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    Yot Suffy
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 90
    Started WHM.
    Mained WHM.
    Had to finish as a WHM.
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  3. #1053
    Player IceBlueNinja's Avatar
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    Blade Beoulve
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    You may not have helped the party the most, but I think something players need to come to terms with is that not every run is going to be world first or top parse, and there is a small minority of players aiming for even those things. The first iteration of card effects was enough for the majority of players to have fun with and feeling like they were contributing without simply DPSing more. Once it came down from the raid community that spread balance was the only thing worth going for it filtered into all other aspects of the game, and suddenly if you're running roulette and not balance fishing then you're playing wrong and need to be kicked form the group.
    oh dear am glad i didnt got into raiding till the Eden series, that is cold and unfair to be kick for not playing balance, thats like being a literal slave for others fun to ruin yours, cause i was one of the few ast that found a use for each card even if niche cept spire when tp was gone and become pointless but ninja would benefit off spire cause i heard their skills used to be tied into tp, never tbh experience being yell at for doing other cards over balance but i suppose in light or just regular duty raid/alliance it was not too pushed for vs EX/Savage
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  4. #1054
    Player Mortex's Avatar
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    Rigor Mortex
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja View Post
    oh dear am glad i didnt got into raiding till the Eden series, that is cold and unfair to be kick for not playing balance, thats like being a literal slave for others fun to ruin yours, cause i was one of the few ast that found a use for each card even if niche cept spire when tp was gone and become pointless but ninja would benefit off spire cause i heard their skills used to be tied into tp, never tbh experience being yell at for doing other cards over balance but i suppose in light or just regular duty raid/alliance it was not too pushed for vs EX/Savage
    Welcome too healer role 101. You enable derpy/bad players the fun I mean the sentence “healer adjust” isn’t there for nothing . Like take extreme for example you either spam 1 dmg button or you scratch dead peps of the floor and even then in most savage raid fights the party just dies with one member less. So there isn’t even a good reward for being a good “healer”
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  5. #1055
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    Recon1o6's Avatar
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    Avarnia Corthal
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    Adamantoise
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    thats funny, when i did the raids as an ast i never got kicked for aoe balance

    but i did get kicked for being on ps3 >>
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  6. #1056
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    Dhalya's Avatar
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    Ai Ka'
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    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 100
    No idea what you guys talking about, there was no kicking for such minor things. You can skip half of your card plays and still get a blue parse on AST, nobody except top tier speed groups would kick for AST card management. Even healers with very poor dps are not kicked in PF savages. Maybe sometimes get a nasty comment about it but since you can get banned for that people prefer to just quietly leave the party themselves.

    What is very common tho is getting blamed for not recovering other people's mistakes correctly, so the person that messed up wont get blamed but healer will, sad life indeed Youre basically there on stand-by having almost nothing to heal just waiting who will mess up the next mechanic.
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  7. #1057
    Player deadman1204's Avatar
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    Fransisco Acutus
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    Ultros
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhalya View Post
    What is very common tho is getting blamed for not recovering other people's mistakes correctly, so the person that messed up wont get blamed but healer will, sad life indeed Youre basically there on stand-by having almost nothing to heal just waiting who will mess up the next mechanic.
    This

    Its our fault as healer when someone else gets killed for the 5th time....
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  8. #1058
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    Teno's Avatar
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    Teno Gestalt
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    Moogle
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by deadman1204 View Post
    This

    Its our fault as healer when someone else gets killed for the 5th time....
    Never seen that happen since 2014. Actually no, first time a few days ago on P4S. They were terrible and people lashed out at them. If anything people feel bad for failing,
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  9. #1059
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Excalibur
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    Summoner Lv 100
    I started off as WHM during ShB and ran into some real toxic types in Akademia, when i was just starting to get my gear together. Where one group saw my lack of gear and adjusted, these other people gave me a hard time as they tried to force wall to wall. I later met the same tank in Eden and watched them get wrecked (Karma is so satisfying). I left healing alone after that and made mages my focus. I later got into tanking and got really good at that. I've since improved my heal game, favoring SCH and now setting WHM aside.

    I'm at a point where I'm deciding if I would rather deal with a bad tank or a bad healer (or both).
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  10. #1060
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Ultros
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    I started off as WHM during ShB and ran into some real toxic types in Akademia, when i was just starting to get my gear together. Where one group saw my lack of gear and adjusted, these other people gave me a hard time as they tried to force wall to wall. I later met the same tank in Eden and watched them get wrecked (Karma is so satisfying). I left healing alone after that and made mages my focus. I later got into tanking and got really good at that. I've since improved my heal game, favoring SCH and now setting WHM aside.

    I'm at a point where I'm deciding if I would rather deal with a bad tank or a bad healer (or both).
    If you enjoy tanking, I'd suggest you consider sticking with it. Since tanks don't need the rest of the party once you get past a certain level, it limits the impact of a bad healer or bad DPS - you can always at least complete a dungeon (if perhaps not quickly).
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