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  1. #21
    Player
    ZedxKayn's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Capybara Friend
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Blue Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    I have enough 90's to say it yes. The APM requirement in this game is not that high.
    But you don't have AST at 90, you have no clue what its opener feels like.

    Something logs don't take into account is the amount of target switching you have to do.
    AST isn't high APM during downtime but it can get really straining during openers and bursts.
    (2)
    im baby

  2. #22
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    EchoYggdrasil's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Echo Yggdrasil
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 90
    Would be nice, though I don't play dragoon much. Wish some more abilities were merged or reworked somehow slightly - Dragoon just... Ugh. Had to buy my first-ever mouse with extra buttons on it just to be able to do some of this stuff - was looking into one anyway for this specific reason already, though.
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  3. #23
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    Raikai's Avatar
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    Character
    Arlo Nine-tails
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    One thing that would defnitely help a TON with AST was if we had a way to add a UI mouseover function to our actions without relying on a macro, for action queueing reasons.

    I've honestly stopped playing AST because the clicking back and forth the boss (for damage spells), the tanks (for heavy st heals) and the dpsers (for card sorting) together with the natural high APM from the job (PLUS having to pay attention to mechanics) made it totally stressful to try playing in an optimized way.
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  4. #24
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    hagare's Avatar
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    Character
    Cesan Duff
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nethereal View Post
    You don't have to give yourself carpel tunnel to clear content, you just aren't going to get a 99%
    let's not hurt people from playing a game xD
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  5. #25
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    Skyborne's Avatar
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    Character
    Cierzo Mistral
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    You know there are games with stellar apm requirements and people do just fine ? I sure hope they don't dumb it down further. If you want to treat your hands good do some climbing/deadlift/farmer's carry/whatever and that'll translate to everything.
    Personally, my fingers are the most powerful part of my body thanks to raiding in Alex with HW MCH.
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  6. #26
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    Krotoan's Avatar
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    Krotoan Argaviel
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Skyborne View Post
    Personally, my fingers are the most powerful part of my body thanks to raiding in Alex with HW MCH.
    You'd think constant repetitive use of body parts would make them stronger right?

    ... whoo wait till the check comes due when you hit middle age. Or possibly earlier if you do it more!
    (3)
    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

  7. #27
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Character
    Mira Clearweaver
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 90
    I got a feeling ‘APM’ isn’t the actual issue you want to address, but I think I get what you meant.

    How I’m very glad when my static co-healer asked me to switch back to my OG SCH. I rolled as AST early on first few week in this tier to accommodate their desire to try out raiding as SGE & boy, even though I did had fun, AST (re)openers is one jumbled mess. I’m proud of my dexterous ‘piano finger’ but this one is too much to be enjoyed.
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  8. #28
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    TristanX's Avatar
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    Rhythalia Everlight
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    APM on MMOs are low. Nowhere close to competitive RTS.

    Maybe get better keyboard and mouse if you are using PC. My mouse on 6000 DPI right now.
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  9. #29
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    Nethereal's Avatar
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    Character
    Deviously Enchanted
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    Should a game designer really leave the "optimal" way to play a class in a state that causes physical damage?
    My answer to that question is 'No but I don't believe that completely fits the situation being described.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Someone
    Just because other players play the game. Does not mean you got to be mindful, or care
    Quote Originally Posted by Someone 2
    The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

  10. #30
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    AziraSyuren's Avatar
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    Azira Syuren
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    You know there are games with stellar apm requirements and people do just fine ? I sure hope they don't dumb it down further. If you want to treat your hands good do some climbing/deadlift/farmer's carry/whatever and that'll translate to everything.
    Most games with high APM requirements destroy the players' hands over time. Just look at SSBM.

    Something being made easier isn't always a bad thing. Openers as hectic as AST's don't really add anything to the game.
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