The Reasoning behind The Sundering? (*6.0 Endwalker Spoilers*)

[Lauront]

Yes, also this concern/'outrage' was notably absent when characters like Varis, Gaius or Emet-Selch were brought up, also often (as claimed) derailing topics. So one might be forgiven for thinking it's more than a trifle selective.

I think I know what happened during the convocation meetings with Venat... I'm currently watching it play out on the forums /facepalm

Edit: ohhh hey my banishment from the forums (daily post limit) has been lifted yaaaay!

Edit 2: if one of you decides to sunder us could you try to put me or one of my clones some where nice? Hawaii maybe or Japan?

Yes, although unfortunately for some they can't just do what she did when disagreement got in her way, no matter what caricature they set up of their opposition, so they may have to limit their ambitions to using the ignore function.

[Rannie]

Yes, although unfortunately for some they can't just do what she did when disagreement got in her way, no matter what caricature they set up of their opposition, so they may have to limit their ambitions to using the ignore function.

Well damn there goes my dreams of Hawaii or Japan living ... =P

[Lyth]

I think the main problem is that it's quite difficult to have any sort of a discussion in here. Someone could simply want to share an interesting little lore tidbit that they'd encountered while fishing, and then one of the usual six player accounts invariably jumps in with 'A fish you say? Well, the fish didn't consent to being genocided.' I think that most people have tuned out the noise, but there are so many offensive and socially inappropriate terms thrown around that it can be difficult to ignore. It's like trying to have a meaningful conversation with someone randomly swearing in the background. And when people invariably take the bait to get rid of the noise, as is human nature, then they get the same copypasted post on how nobody is obliged to like a fictional character. Such low effort trolling. It's unfortunate because I think that it drives a lot of people away from posting in here.

This largely comes down to a lack of moderation on this forum. I think that Ryu made the best suggestion here in the interim that it's best to just ignore such people and move on. Twitch had a beautiful response to the disruption during the Live Letter where the trolls were laughed out of chat and then promptly spammed off the screen without missing a beat. They can get mad at you for suggesting that you ignore them, but they really can't do anything about it.

I think Yoshi-p offered the most elegant solution. The Ancients are dead and they don't wanna come back. It really doesn't matter which 'side' you're on. The story moves on. As do we, three months later.

[Absimiliard]

then one of the usual six player accounts invariably jumps

If you're going to toss blame around, then at least don't be disingenuous with it. There are far more than six, and they come from both sides of the debate.

Though, I do agree on much of what goes on here being due to a lack of moderation.

[Lyth]

There isn't a debate happening here. The discussion has been done to death a month ago and people have moved on. There's just a few trolls throwing out offensive phrases in the background in the hopes that they'll get a rise out of someone. They're only relevant if you let them be.

[EaraGrace]

Though I will say that Gridania's storyline did absolutely nothing to improve my view of the elementals considering it was them being fickle and unforgiving that caused the blasphemy issues there in the first place. While the seventh calamity may have weakened them to an extent that they can no longer physically govern the lives of the Gridanians, other quests stress that they still have an unhealthy level of influence over their society and at times force people into situations that give them grief simply because they say so.

God yeah that particular storyline gave me a headache. The rest of the role quests have a pretty hopeful message but all I got from Gridania was “man the elementals aren’t really a good influence are they.” This plus the WHM quests don’t exactly leave a good impression.

[Absimiliard]

The elementals come off more as petulant children than any sort of proper guardians. They are fickle to a point that it seems like it makes them impossible to please. All it takes is one minor misstep for them to decide to ruin your life -- or, as we see from a few different quests, simply decide to kill you.

[KizuyaKatogami]

There isn't a debate happening here. The discussion has been done to death a month ago and people have moved on. There's just a few trolls throwing out offensive phrases in the background in the hopes that they'll get a rise out of someone. They're only relevant if you let them be.

You’re trying to mark off people who disagree with your opinions as trolls, which is completely against the point of the forums. If you disagree with someone’s phrases or terms, just say i disagree. Don’t name call(against the rules), don’t be passive aggressive(also against the rules). If we’re going to call out people for halting discussion so to speak, then i think we need to stop acting holier than thou and acknowledge our own faults. Because most people in this debate on both sides have argued in bad faith time and time again, so trying to see people try and act like they havent stoked the flames is a bit ironic.

[Lyth]

Not really. You have your opinions on the Ancients, as you said, and nothing is going to change that. I'm happy for you. It's not worth being roped into the same discussion endlessly simply because you like throwing out inflammatory statements. There is no debate. Only bait.

[Lurina]

There isn't a debate happening here. The discussion has been done to death a month ago and people have moved on. There's just a few trolls throwing out offensive phrases in the background in the hopes that they'll get a rise out of someone. They're only relevant if you let them be.

Don't you think it's a little self-contradictory to regularly post in EW discourse threads about how pointless and unworthy of attention the discourse is?