Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[SenorPatty]

At this point, better to make a thread asking people who play healer how fine are they with their dps toolkit because people are muddling difficulty (or thinking people want more difficulty) with it and are just missing the point in the same way Yoshi is. Obviously won't be a sizeable metric but at least we'd get an idea.

[Deceptus]

At this point, better to make a thread asking people who play healer how fine are they with their dps toolkit because people are muddling difficulty (or thinking people want more difficulty) with it and are just missing the point in the same way Yoshi is. Obviously won't be a sizeable metric but at least we'd get an idea.

There's always both ends of the spectrum, the Sylphies who refuse to do a single damage cast due to the healer fantasy in their heads, despite numerous instances in the game telling you the exact opposite of that. As well as Squadrons and Trusts doing damage. These are the people spamming Cure/Physic/Diagnosis/Benefic even when tanks are at 95% or 100% health or literally standing there doing nothing while no one is injured.



Then you have people who heal as little as possible, only enough to ensure everyone doesn't die as best they can (can't help some people being one shot). Those people make learning tanks stress out because a lot of players don't understand in this game you're not in much danger even if 3/4 of your HP is missing because aoe damage goes out only once a minute or so.

[Aarchie]

Apparently some people have a hard time understanding what is wrong (?)

- They want us to focus on healing BUT THEY DON'T GIVE US WHAT TO HEAL.

A job should be fun in ALL content and regardless of party composition. It's not a good design to have to pray to RNG to get people who stays in the bad. On top of that all tanks are extra buffed, making healing even less necessary.

- They want us to DPS in the downtime BUT OUR ROTATION IS ONE BUTTOM SPAM.

It's clear that neither healing or DPS as a healer is fun enough at this point because you don't have what to heal and your DPS rotation is a joke.
I love being a support, I love the concept. I do play savage. But again, I want my role to be relevant and fun in all content.

So for the people saying about "oh they want it to be harder" or "they are asking for DPS and not healers". No. We are asking for an engaging role, regardless of content, difficulty and party composition.

[ASkellington]

At this point, better to make a thread asking people who play healer how fine are they with their dps toolkit because people are muddling difficulty (or thinking people want more difficulty) with it and are just missing the point in the same way Yoshi is. Obviously won't be a sizeable metric but at least we'd get an idea.

Doing any solo duty as a healer is abysmal. You are literally pressing the same button over 80% of a fight. That alone should be sufficient enough imo.

[AngeliouxRein]

AST, with divination being on demand, really has no reason for all their cards to stay the way they are. I really want unique buffs to be a thing again. SCH could definitely go back to having dots like it used to. SGE I personally feel should've been the healer with half its kit being dedicated to dps due to kardia. WHM... it can stay simple and honestly just needs straight forward dps to match that. I mean they used to be about nature but their moving towards...light and nature? I don't know lol. They just need something... at least give us aero III back, along with giving SCH bane again.

[Atelier-Bagur]

AST, with divination being on demand, really has no reason for all their cards to stay the way they are. I really want unique buffs to be a thing again. SCH could definitely go back to having dots like it used to. SGE I personally feel should've been the healer with half its kit being dedicated to dps due to kardia. WHM... it can stay simple and honestly just needs straight forward dps to match that. I mean they used to be about nature but their moving towards...light and nature? I don't know lol. They just need something... at least give us aero III back, along with giving SCH bane again.

As much as my memory is terrible, especially during on the spot moments and I would hate to try to memorize a full deck of cards and its effects...... I would agree that they need to bring back unique buff properties to AST's cards again since seriously whats the point of having 6 cards that grant the same exact effect?? Its a weird design choice and its boring.

[AngeliouxRein]

lol when each card was unique it took me a minute too to learn what each card did. Even longer when we could actually manipulate the cards by burning them to spread buffs, enhance the cards to 20% buffs and etc. Even if they only do just 3 unique buffs, since they're already split into range and melee, it would be a lot better than what it is now.

[Baxcel]

This is about as dismissive as "If you want to be engaged, play the hardest content in the game (ultimate)"

"You don't have to play healer, play something else."

I do play other jobs, but in every MMO I've ever played I've "mained" healer because I like helping support my group. Part of that support is making enemies die faster (whether by direct damage or buffing allies) because dead enemies don't do any damage to my party.

I want to play healer because that's what I enjoy, but my enjoyment of the role doesn't blind me from seeing the blatant missteps the Developers have made in designing the role. Just like I point out how badly designed other jobs are this expansion (DRK being blatant as well)

What I'm realizing is that while holding out for years, this statement by Yoshi might be the straw that breaks the camel's back for me. The utter dismissiveness toward healers for two expansions now is evident.

• They are out of touch with a section of their player base that wants engagement in all facets of play.
• Their healer design actively conflicts with itself on multiple fronts, mostly because they don't have a dedicated healer developer. When all your battle design devs play either a tank or a dps you will never understand what healers actually want. When you are a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
• The stated game design vision and what is actually being put into the game conflict with each other. How many times have they said they'll look into making outgoing mob damage be higher so we actually have something to heal only for it never to materialize?

As much as I hate to admit it, this game has changed and it looks like it might not be the game for me anymore. And that's OK. Not everything has to be for me. Glad to see if people are having fun, good for them. I'm not and the developers don't look like they're willing to make any changes for veteran healers who want something interesting to do during the massive downtimes between healing this game has.

Bad game design was the exact reason I left World of Warcraft, Bad game design was the reason 1.0 was a failure. With success comes ego and I'm concerned that the devs have it in their head it's their way or the highway and the highway is looking mighty good right now.

I'd just like to point out that they don't have a tank battle dev either.. they all main dps and most of us tanks are just as upset as you healers.. especially DRK mains as we finally get something for living dead after 7 years I think?

But also Yoshi said the same to us about tanks being clones an copies of each other and that complexity and difficulty are not the way of this game anymore.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

The ironic thing... Most of those here complaining about what Yoshi-P said also refuse to play Savage and Ultimate.

[AngeliouxRein]

New live letter announced on Twitter for March 4… round 2 of probably the same questions being asked