Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[aveyond-dreams]

This expansion I have little to no intention of touching the more boring healers, White Mage and Scholar, until its time to prep for 7.0 by speedlevelling them to 90. They just have nothing interesting to do, and there isn't enough damage going out in any content to justify being locked into so few dps buttons.

"Go play ultimate" my goodness what a disconnected take he had in regards to the healer situation-it's not that hard to give them an extra button to press, or even a 1-2 dps combo that doesn't even go all the way to 3. They need to get off their high horse about this issue, because at this point I cannot in good conscience recommend anyone play a healer in any pre-90 content! These classes offer the worst in-game experience compared to all others, and the stubbornness in this comes across as grating if not outright arrogance.

[SturmChurro]

That feel when they also cut Ultimates.

[Sclair0]

Eh watching the live letter I didn't get the vibe "Go play ultimate if you want anything engaging at all." it came off much more "If you really need to be challenged, well we have a certain challenging content you could try" those might sound interchangable but I dont think it was meant in a bad way.

I DO heavily agree though that the 'rotation' being so simple is super dumb. I think there are ways they can greatly add to it without massive button bloat or without lowering the skill floor and making it harder to heal. At the VERY least give us an AoE dot like Aero III.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

We already know their adjustments. They'll be exactly the same as they were in Shadowbringers: incredibly easy outside Savage prog.

He still dismissed the primary complaint that healers are bored and basically said to go do Ultimate if they still find things too easy. It doesn't actually address there are virtually no healing requirements in 90% of the content and that healers have one button to spam. Even in casual content where there's basically no tank mechanics, they can at least full back on a simplified rotation. Healers don't even have that. Outside Savage and Ultimate, they have absolutely nothing. For example sake, I got Copied Factory the other day and pressed Dosis II 513 times. That's ten more than almost all my healing combined. You wanna tell me the upcoming 24 man is going to be any different? If so then I have lakefront property in Arizona to sell you.

Seeing you mentioned about cast numbers, this reminds me of my very first P1S clear in first week as an AST. Casted a total of 219 GCDs in that clear. These consists of:
• Fall Malefic = 195 times (89%)
• Combust = 19 times (8.6%)
• Macrocosmos = 2 times (0.9%)
• Asp Helios = 3 times (1.5%)

Like you, I can guarantee I’d be casting 500+ Glaroilfisis myself in normal contents where I mainly spend my time in as opposed to very limited 4 hours total of hard content raiding weekly, 5h if my static is pushing it.

Just yikes.
Why in the world they think it’s fine to push people out of main content just so they cab have fun is beyond my comprehension.

[MsQi]

you should take it as a compliment, but you prefer to see maliciousness.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Speak for ya'll selves, I still get nervous having to heal in content, just because of the nature of healing alone. I think the issue they see if healers get more damage spells for rotations then healers in this game would start to focus more on DPS'ing rather than healing which just....negates the purpose of having a healer in the holy trinity the system was made for. I think we've grown too complacent with the idea that "healers are a dps" job when its in their job description to heal not to deal damage.

This is an extremely BASED opinion on my part though because I'm a controller user andy and having to add more buttons for full on damage rotations alongside your meaty healer toolkit will just overload the cross-bar hotbar setup into a complicated mess.

[StriderShinryu]

I'm not much of a healer player at all, but I think this is a clear example of exactly why need more legitimate discussion between the devs and the players. I do feel that the game should be made by the devs to their desires and specifications, and that it shouldn't be up to the players to design the game for them, but it really doesn't help anyone to only have "conversation" limited to one way commentary a couple of times a year (if that).

Maybe YoshiP and his team do have more reasoning in mind than you can get from a pithy Q&A response. Maybe the players do have some unrealistic expectations born from not seeing things from the developer perspective and the data only they have access to. Maybe, to be sure, it really is the players not being listened to in their legitimate complaints. I'd imagine it's really a bit of all of that.. but all we're getting now is just the devs and players essentially sniping at each other and not actually talking. I don't blame the dedicated healer players from being upset.

[Deceptus]

These classes offer the worst in-game experience compared to all others, and the stubbornness in this comes across as grating if not outright arrogance.

It doesn't help the last few times Yoshi has been asked these healer questions he brushes them off and is dismissive in his answers.

It's like WE'RE wrong for even bringing them up.

Translation errors and paraphrasing is a factor but the attitude is still there.

Eh watching the live letter I didn't get the vibe "Go play ultimate if you want anything engaging at all." it came off much more "If you really need to be challenged, well we have a certain challenging content you could try" those might sound interchangable but I dont think it was meant in a bad way.

I DO heavily agree though that the 'rotation' being so simple is super dumb. I think there are ways they can greatly add to it without massive button bloat or without lowering the skill floor and making it harder to heal. At the VERY least give us an AoE dot like Aero III.

The "challenge" shouldn't be the absolute hardest content in the game and everything else is faceroll easy.

[Loonies]

I am happy with my heal jobs, no need for more dps spells. I would play a dps job if i would like to have more dps spells.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Also I think people shy away more so of healing not because its boring but because again, its the nature of having that responsibility in an MMO. Same thing with tanking. Not everyone in this game is a total Gigachad whom are absolute masters at their class and can run through content without having wipes. I speak from experience that it isnt uncommon on my dungeon or trial runs for wipes of mistakes to occur due to healers not prioritizing healing, tanks not using their cool-downs properly, group not doing mechs etc. Stuff like this still happens. I would totally add on Yoshi-P's comment there if healers want more engaging content to also run "Aurum Vale". Still to this day that dungeon is still a challenge to get through.

I dont want to completely dismiss the idea of tweaking some toolkits for more damage buttons. I think if they replace some spells to be a "damage and HEAL" button rather than adding extra damage spells would keep the job rhythm nicely and more engaging perhaps?