Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[LyraMaru]

Was paired with a WHM and 2 MCHs. My "tool we don't talk about" said me that the WHM and me were top DPS in the lvl 85 dungeon, at least during trash pulls. I'm not that familiar with MCH so how should I tell them how their buttons work? I saw that there was no flamethrower, I saw no dots etc. I ran out of CDs because the wall-to-wall pull took forever to die. The WHM was AOEing pretty good but had to hardcast heal me pretty often.

So after the 1st boss I decided to go to pull 1 pack after another. Why should I do my job properly if they don't? If they want to slow down and chill - well that's ok but then I can chill too, right? The WHM pulled another pack and I stopped tanking. Yeeeaaaah normally if someone pulls accidently I'm the last person who will let someone die. It usually don't happen that someone pulls for me cause wall-to-wall is the way to go, rigth?

I told them that they were doing something major wrong with their AOE attacks, gave a goodbye and took the penalty. Nooo thank you, I'll do my fatelog during the penalty.

After that one of the MCHs asked me what they did wrong I gave them the invitelink to balance discord and the balance website. They replied I can google myself!!!11 Ok then how about doing that? You are on lvl 85, it's pretty late learning how to AOE on that point maybe????

[Kolsykol]

I would agree if that would be static where i know wich role each plays.

In PF however if i would try to adjust and didn't make it in time i would be blamed for wipe. So i rather not.

To some extent I get what you mean, but I just do my best and if someone blames me and I know for a fact that I didn't do anything wrong I'll just stand my ground and if I get kicked then so be it it's their loss.
It has happened before and it's annoying but it's very rare.
I do pay a lot of attention tho to what's going on so I typically tend to have a fairly good idea of who's messing up and how.

But tbh I think most people would probably view the person refusing to adapt in a more negative light than someone who just makes a mistake.
It's a russian roulette tho, depends a lot on the people you're in pf with.

[Rilifane]

PF seems to either refuse to adjust or is overdoing it. I've rarely seen a sensible inbetween that is helpful instead of leading to more chaos or pointless discussions.
Either people stubbornly stay on their spot or they move over if someone isn't instantly or 30s ahead of the mechanic happening at their assigned spot. I've seen it a lot when PFing during 2nd ShB tier, especially on Ramuh spears. If H2 wasn't at their Narnia spear the moment Ramuh jumped, H1 would sometimes go to their spear. Or the tank would instantly move to the 3rd spear if they didn't play M1- M2 - tank order if the melee wasn't moving right away.
"you're h2"
"i know"
"then why weren't you standing on your spear"
"because you already took it"
"yeah because you DIDN'T"
Seen it go like that several times.
C'mon, they don't have to move out of melee range at the start of a 10s pointblank cast or move to your Thunderstorm corner 20s ahead of it happening. If anything, it just increases the chance of missing buffs and heals and often lead to deaths on E11s during Cycles because they outranged the heals on the only heal check the boss had.
It's good to keep an eye on things and adjusting if they notice someone is sleeping on mechanics but running to a different spot just because someone didn't beam there and then going all "you were at the wrong spot!" isn't helping. I generally wait for as long as I can safely make it to the different spot to give them enough time to move with slidecasting etc.

[Kolsykol]

PF seems to either refuse to adjust or is overdoing it. I've rarely seen a sensible inbetween that is helpful instead of leading to more chaos or pointless discussions.
Either people stubbornly stay on their spot or they move over if someone isn't instantly or 30s ahead of the mechanic happening at their assigned spot. I've seen it a lot when PFing during 2nd ShB tier, especially on Ramuh spears. If H2 wasn't at their Narnia spear the moment Ramuh jumped, H1 would sometimes go to their spear. Or the tank would instantly move to the 3rd spear if they didn't play M1- M2 - tank order if the melee wasn't moving right away.
"you're h2"
"i know"
"then why weren't you standing on your spear"
"because you already took it"
"yeah because you DIDN'T"
Seen it go like that several times.
C'mon, they don't have to move out of melee range at the start of a 10s pointblank cast or move to your Thunderstorm corner 20s ahead of it happening. If anything, it just increases the chance of missing buffs and heals and often lead to deaths on E11s during Cycles because they outranged the heals on the only heal check the boss had.
It's good to keep an eye on things and adjusting if they notice someone is sleeping on mechanics but running to a different spot just because someone didn't beam there and then going all "you were at the wrong spot!" isn't helping. I generally wait for as long as I can safely make it to the different spot to give them enough time to move with slidecasting etc.

Yeah PF can be a hell, I think a lot of people mistake just pointing out problems for '' salt '' too.
If we're in a weekly clear party and someone keeps screwing up at the limit cut over and over again, me pointing that out and asking if they know what to do isn't salt lol.
What annoys me the most about it is that I am willing to give a chance and just explain it, but instead it's like you're expected to just keep failing for hours until the group falls apart or they finally figure it out.
Instead of just admitting that they don't know or forgot something and accepting the help it's like it becomes this big thing.

I mean while I won't take responsibility for things I very clearly didn't do wrong, I'll also at the same time be the first to point out when I do make a mistake and ask when if I am unsure about something.
A lot of people seem to just stay quiet and hope that no one notices and that they'll just stumble into the correct spot and get carried.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Met an interesting WAR in Stigma Dreamscape. I rolled as an AST with my DNC friend for our Expert roulette. The 2nd DPS in the party is an elusive SMN who dressed up as a clown... figuratively and literally.

Zoned in, the game mentioned about having a first timer. We both guessed it's probably the WAR since they watched the opening cutscene. They engaged the first pack reluctantly as the rest of us are moving ahead of them. They followed us into the next pack. Your basic w2w pull. Something that I noticed about this WAR: they did not utilize their Bloodwhetting. I had to work extra, but it's fine. Nothing can stop me from constantly spamming Gravities. I finally saw Bloodwhetting but only when there were 2 mobs left with less than 5% HP. Cool, whatever.

WAR:"lol I'm new here please don't kill me."
Me:"Oh no, you won't. Bloodwhetting is awesome."

Out of curiosity, I examined their search info. They have PLD on lv90 so I hazard a guess that WAR is probably their 2nd tank. Still, how could somebody play a WAR without recognizing how stupidly overpowered and not abusing RI/BW for 34 levels is beyond my comprehension. I tried mentioning Bloodwhetting specifically to hint them that but based on the next pull, it shows that they clearly did not understood it at all: they refuse to wall pull. Yeah, that 4 omicrons that looms toward the party? Yep, they stopped there and so we obliged. Clearly I and my friend disliked the pace but we decided to see how it plays out beyond that point.

Oh right.. did I ever mentioned about our 2nd DPS SMN? Once again, a literal clown. To which degree I begun to think they're purposely meme'ing. But I digress at the moment. Basically, Ruin III SMN + actually uses Physick + wasn't actively keeping their GCD rolling + from the stuff that I should not name it, they are dealing even lower output than I did, the AST.

Reaching 2nd wall pull before 2nd boss, my friend grew tired of the single pulling and just runs ahead to pull the remaining mobs. I assisted as well during last wall pull. The WAR obliged while also seemingly reluctant to do so in either pull. Again, they weren't abusing Bloodwhetting but that's never an enough issue to make me drop any Gravities to heal more. Healing them literally feels like healing a PLD in ShB.

(It's totally fine, WAR... you can do this... don't be afraid of wall pulls... you're literally the king of wall pulls in dungeons right now...)

Gladly though at least the WAR seem to be enjoying the run as a whole. They commented about the sliding, it was cute to witness.

SMN...? Why were you even there...? Oh well...

[Absimiliard]

Just watched a Syrcus Tower group wipe on Scylla. After the fact we find out the wipe occurred because all but one healer decided they didn't want to cast a single heal, so there was one person trying to keep three alliances alive. This very quickly results in the one healer that was doing their job bickering with one of the healers that wasn't, as it turned out they were excessively outspoken in addition to virtually useless. It was your typical "you don't pay my sub" scenario. Went on about how you'd expect.

The key part came in as we were reaching the second boss, wherein the one angry healer started trying to defend themselves (against no one talking at all). Eventually a member of our alliance pipes up and says simply, "do you need to speak to the manager?" This pretty much executed everyone. The rest of the run was just this awkward silence filled by that one healer occasionally getting themselves killed to avoidable mechanic. Oh, and extra points for it being a mentor. ...Why is it always a mentor?

[Kolsykol]

The numbers in P3S, it's limit cut in P2S all over again.

PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN.
And we gotta spend five years arguing about whether it's just 5 6 7 8 or 5 - 4 ( I dunno why people overcomplicate it... ).
It's the same but it still turns into an argument and ppl can't do kindergarten math.
I swear anything involving numbers is suffering in pf lol.

[icrot]

Why is every single player with the crown and hammer icon sooooo bad? I don't consider myself an excel player but these people... They are another breed I swear.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Every day I see DNCs allergic to giving Dance Partner to other DNCs... or even, y'know, a DPS at all.

Landed in P1n for my Normal Raid roulette on GNB, with 3 DNCs and one DRG. First DNC partners... the SGE, who was glammed naked (because what else should I expect, I guess). Other DNC partners the DNC who partnered the SGE. Last one partnered the DRG, thank god for that.

I mention to the first DNC that they want to put that on a DPS, not a healer; I assume they and the SGE were friends or a couple or w/e gross excuse people use nowadays for screwing up the bare basics of their class, as the SGE pipes in with "no way! this is my dance partner".

That DNC was bottom of the barrel on aggro and DPS, expectedly.

More and more I think about getting my DNC geared up and melded properly so I can actually play it well and break this curse of sub-par or outright idiotic DNCs that have only grown more numerous since EW dropped - but then I realize, with my rotten luck, I'll just get paired with these "I refuse to DNC partner the other DNC" types. Which'd tilt me even more than if I'm on a non-DPS class.

[Ramesses]

That stupid healer that refuses to heal our struggling DRK tank-- the sacrilege.