"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[BaconBits]

Yeah, they are just fully making up stuff at this point and pinning a "bruised ego" on the tank when in reality it's just "I want to do what I want and how dare you say otherwise".

Can't really talk to someone who isn't objective. The moment they break into perceived efficiencies outside a static setting, it's a joke lol.

Edit: Reached my daily limit!
Can't sit on the forums all day and the one fun person stopped responding to me. So good luck trying to compel a playstyle out there!

If you get me in a dungeon, let's have some fun! <3

Wait crap was I the one fun person? I'm sorry, I was eating a taco!

[LittleImp]

Yes and that's the problem. Tanking is exceptionally easy once you get it. But it does have a learning curve to get used to.

Inconsiderate players like you, thinking everyone is the same and learns at the same pace is the reason for the TOS update in the first place lol. Honestly, I'm glad the GMs and devs care, even when a selfish minority of players don't.

Just try to remember to be kind to people, you have no clue what it's like for them.

You're making a lot of very silly assumptions about me, considering I spend the absolute majority of my time on FF teaching the game to other players. You're endorsing actual, genuine griefing that extends harm beyond not just the person you feel has slighted you, but to the rest of the party as well. I promise you are significantly more likely to receive a GM visit than I ever will be.

Just try to remember to be kind to people, you have no clue what it's like for them.

This is also really amusing to read coming from someone who has been so hostile and abrasive towards virtually everyone they've talked to in this thread, while endorsing griefing. In fact, if I were to play the silly assumption game, I'd assume that you're in an FC that's stacked with your own alts because other people probably find you difficult.

[Ath192]

So, you admit that you find loopholes to avoid getting in trouble (ie. just not admitting it in chat) while going on and on about how you respect and follow the ToS and how important they are. If you can't admit you did it in chat, it's because you know it's a bannable offense. But don't worry, you follow the ToS. Those mental gymnastics, though.

It doesn't matter whether they admit it or not or how people go about getting things accomplished. At the end of the day if people want to spread hatred and intolerance they will become lawyers to justify and rationalize any behavior they want.

The only thing that really matters is that players should strive to be intrinsically good people with empathy for others. Because the level of empathy and patience varies some circumstances are unavoidable but the majority can be peaceful. The real enemy here is people wanting to get something done a very specific way and willing to ignore everyone else. If this turns into an issue they will use whatever rhetoric they can to destroy the opposing side.

[Padudu]

It may not be griefing, but this behavior comes from a place of annoyance at the perceived pace of the dungeon. I highly doubt this all started because one DPS said let me try to optimize the party and make the tank's job easier. This started from a place of annoyance of pace, then got a bunch of people onboard via echo chamber.

I'll speak from my experience since I legit tanked every dungeon in the MSQ, I didn't properly learn how to w2w until like maybe like late SB and struggled with it still when I was on ShB, I can't really recall a time where dps/healer were annoyed and omega pulling ahead of me, I explained that I was still a noob at tanking & they understood fine and some gave some good advice I follow to this day lol. there were times when either the dps or I took too much for me to handle and we wiped, but at the end of the day it's just a learning experience. just relax, say something if you need to go slower than w2w, and let the party do its thing. at the end of the day you're the one in control anyways. the more u relax on it the more tankxiety goes away I tend to find (although I still get it on p3n lmao).

now that I finally bothered to learn dps and watch other tanks, i feel it's just tankxiety and being afraid of big pulls, but u gotta learn someday tbh. at least for me I just force myself to remember to wait on the tank, it's easy to see when the tank is a newer player so I just go w/ the flow

[TaleraRistain]

Therefore, if you want a slower pace for whatever reason, the onus is on you to say something because you're the one harboring different expectations.

Would you make up your mind? You JUST faulted the Sage in my example for doing exactly this.

[MaxCarnage]

Actually the mistake the tank made here was being rude. The way to turn this around and get the people pulling for you banned is to change the words from "you pull, you tank" to "I'm still practicing this job and need to go slower, sorry". Any other comment they make pressuring you to go faster can be answered by "no thank you, still practicing" and DPS dying because the tank didnt grab aggro can simple be attributed to the tank getting used to his job with written evidence of the tank being polite.

Since the GMs only have the chat log and the reports all you have to do is go to the support desk and report them for kicking and this will turn into them getting banned for imposing a playstyle. It doesn't matter if you are new to the game or not and it's a polite and otherwise unprovable statement so there's actually little the DPS or anyone else in the party can do without being toxic and breaking TOS.

So really, all you need to do is be silent, keep those keywords in mind if they harass you and move on.

I understand what you are saying, but I do want to make a correction. You can't be banned for kicking someone. Difference of playstyle is a 100% legitimate reason for kicking and you cannot get in trouble for it.

There is a difference between telling a level 15 tank to pull more in Satasha and getting mad at them when they don't, and asking a tank to pull more at level 70+ and they won't. You can't claim tankxiety at high levels. And if tanking makes you that scared, don't tank higher level content. I don't think that is unfair to ask.

I know I have been accused of being a pulling DPS, but honestly, I don't. I will start running toward the second group, jump a few times. If they don't move, I sigh and start attacking the mobs they pulled. I don't even say anything in chat. But if you decide to single target, adamantly refusing to pick up mobs, verbal admittance or not, because you are under the mindset of "you pull, you tank", you are the toxic one. End of story.

[Kolaina]

This is a team game. Once you start working against your team, you are making it difficult for everyone else. Refuse to tank, let a dps pay the price for ruffling your feathers, your party is now at less than 75% and your healers focus is split. Instead of communicating, you threw a tantrum and acted like an entitled child.

A team is more than working as a unit, but communicating when necessary. Switching to single target is not team play. Letting a member die because you decided to be hostile is not team play.

Wall to wall is also the meta. Most peoples runs are wall to wall. They have come to expect it. If you can’t handle it for whatever reason, maybe state that before the walls drop in a duty. Or, maybe learn to better your play style. Become more efficient. Meta; most efficient tactics available. Become efficient. Stop holding yourself back and in turn, keeping the party down

[ForteNightshade]

Would you make up your mind? You JUST faulted the Sage in my example for doing exactly this.

No I didn't? I said the Sage in your example essentially has a win/win scenario. If they can't handle the pull size when a DPS dragsin extra, they can blame them since they asked beforehand. If they can handle it, then they've just learned they're more capable than they thought.

As for being blamed. Ignore them. Who cares? I've been blamed for several wipes that weren't my fault. I could care less if someone thinks otherwise. Now if they can point to a problem or a mistake I made, I'm all ears. If they want to blame me cause say, they ran around the arena like a headless chicken or were a Bard out in Narnia that somehow missed Assize. I'll tell them why they died and how to do not do that.

[KariTheFox]

So funny story about an expert roulette I had. My wife and I run as tank/dps pair most of the time, and if we're clearing packs fast enough, we'll start staggering our sprints so that she can run ahead of me and pull packs while my sprint is still cooling down. Works pretty well, makes dungeons go by super fast.

We're doing that in Stigmascape, making incredibly good pace and - when suddenly the red mage pipes up with "stop pulling ahead and let the tank pull". And I'm like, "nah it's fine, it's faster this way" then the healer - a mutual friend also says it's fine.

And in response? the red mage leaves the dungeon right before the final boss. Absolutely baffled by some players in this game.

[Skiros]

Well, this is good reading material.