You guys gotta learn to be patient in PF

[Liam_Harper]

Don't start or join a farm party if you suck.

Every static I've been in has wiped during reclears some weeks. Sometimes the silliest mistakes, but you just laugh it off and go again. I've watched world first raid teams, rank 1 players, triple legends and the rest wipe multiple times to silly mistakes. It's human and it happens.

PF's "2 mistakes = kick, or disband" nonsense is completely unrealistic. Especially in a group full of people who don't even know each other. Sure, if someone's clearly new to the fight or playing their class wrong, get rid of them. But kicking a solid player over a slip up or two, or throwing the entire group away, is shooting yourself in the foot. Yet it happens constantly.

[Skiros]

Every static I've been in has wiped during reclears some weeks. Sometimes the silliest mistakes, but you just laugh it off and go again. I've watched world first raid teams, rank 1 players, triple legends and the rest wipe multiple times to silly mistakes. It's human and it happens.

PF's "2 mistakes = kick, or disband" nonsense is completely unrealistic. Especially in a group full of people who don't even know each other. Sure, if someone's clearly new to the fight or playing their class wrong, get rid of them. But kicking a solid player over a slip up or two, or throwing the entire group away, is shooting yourself in the foot. Yet it happens constantly.

Exactly. It's honestly just another sort of casual toxicity.

[Mandudez]

Every static I've been in has wiped during reclears some weeks. Sometimes the silliest mistakes, but you just laugh it off and go again. I've watched world first raid teams, rank 1 players, triple legends and the rest wipe multiple times to silly mistakes. It's human and it happens.

PF's "2 mistakes = kick, or disband" nonsense is completely unrealistic. Especially in a group full of people who don't even know each other. Sure, if someone's clearly new to the fight or playing their class wrong, get rid of them. But kicking a solid player over a slip up or two, or throwing the entire group away, is shooting yourself in the foot. Yet it happens constantly.

The huge difference is you know those people know the fight perfectly and won't keep making mistakes over and over. There is no guarantee of that with people you don't know in PF. Especially when those people don't even say anything about their mistake and hope that no one notices.

[ArchlordPie]

PF's "2 mistakes = kick, or disband" nonsense is completely unrealistic. Especially in a group full of people who don't even know each other. Sure, if someone's clearly new to the fight or playing their class wrong, get rid of them. But kicking a solid player over a slip up or two, or throwing the entire group away, is shooting yourself in the foot. Yet it happens constantly.

Before I joined my current static, I was a "3 wipes = kicks or disband" leader, but I also got a week 1 P2S kill and week 2 P3S kill with complete pugs. The trick is that you use those 3 wipes to gather information and then act on that information instead of blindly disbanding. If you get 3 wipes that are caused by 3 different people at 3 different points in the fight, put it up to a vote. Both of those kills came from groups that hit 3 wipes and got asked "should we disband" and said "no, let's keep all 8 of us around and keep at it". I didn't actually have to kick or disband in either case, because even though the P2S party took an hour and a half to fill (playing at off-peak hours + "3 wipes = kicks or disband" tends to do that), I wound up with a team of 8 people who were consistent with Limit Cut and knew the rest of the mechanics, and we hammered out a kill over an hour or so. P3S took the better part of 6 hours with mostly the same group (had to replace the offtank due to our first one getting IRL aggro, but the new one knew the fight), but after hitting our three wipe "limit", deciding to keep trying, and immediately seeing a 2% enrage on the fourth wipe, everyone was like "yeah let's buckle down, everyone food and pot, clean it up and we'll kill" and we got it in the end.

The whole point of that line is to scare off people who know for sure they're going to trap the party. I include that in my clear party descriptions because if I don't do that, we otherwise don't have any filters at all on who can join aside from item level (which is eventually irrelevant) and duty completion status, which doesn't help when you know the fight just as well as the people who have cleared, but you can't actually get the kill because you keep getting trapped.

If it's a practice party I have patience.
If it's a clear group/ seen enrage group I have limited patience.

This is more than fair. If you've seen enrage multiple times and are consistent with all the fight mechanics, you have every right to expect the same of your teammates and to leave groups that advertise themselves as meeting that standard when they actually don't.