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    Jubei Murata
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    I mean you joined the raid knowing there would potentially be people new to it, the game even tells you when someone is new to the duty. If you have a problem with it then don't join pugs and make your own parties of people who already have or don't care. Yeah, the content is years old, but for many people it's brand new. Especially seeing as how we've had a surge of new players lately. Some of you forget not everyone has been here for years. Your problem began the moment you started playing a story-focused game, que'd for pug content knowing full well there would be people who, surprise surprise actually want to experience the story in a story-focused game (shocking I know), then got mad about it. Obviously, as someone who's done it already I prefer to not have to wait for people especially when I don't have a lot of time, and when I get a group full of people who auto-skip and we just do the content it's nice, but I accept the reality that I will sometimes have to wait, and respect the people who are going through the story for the first time.
    Alliance Roulette is the reason most alliance raids even happen. Saying, "oh you're doing roulette so you shouldn't expect fast runs" is just dumb.

    The bottom line is that people pulling the boss doesn't kick new players out of cutscenes anyway so your entire argument is moot. New people just watch the cutscene and join the battle 10-20 seconds later, usually before any mechanics have even happened. Just get over it.
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    Harriks Kasan
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrogDog View Post
    Alliance Roulette is the reason most alliance raids even happen. Saying, "oh you're doing roulette so you shouldn't expect fast runs" is just dumb.

    The bottom line is that people pulling the boss doesn't kick new players out of cutscenes anyway so your entire argument is moot. New people just watch the cutscene and join the battle 10-20 seconds later, usually before any mechanics have even happened. Just get over it.
    You can't wait 20 seconds? Take a second and think about what you just said.
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    Teki Suto
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harriks View Post
    You can't wait 20 seconds? Take a second and think about what you just said.
    Why should people wait?
    Hard mode: don't say "b-because it's nice and polite"
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    Harriks Kasan
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    Quote Originally Posted by weebtext View Post
    Why should people wait?
    Hard mode: don't say "b-because it's nice and polite"
    Being considerate of others. Letting new players enjoy the game like it was meant to be experienced. (Yes, I exclude experienced players from that)

    But being polite should be reason enough. We are talking about 20 mere seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harriks View Post
    Being considerate of others. Letting new players enjoy the game like it was meant to be experienced. (Yes, I exclude experienced players from that)

    But being polite should be reason enough. We are talking about 20 mere seconds.
    If it's such a mere 20 seconds, why should it matter if people pull?
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    Harriks Kasan
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    Quote Originally Posted by weebtext View Post
    If it's such a mere 20 seconds, why should it matter if people pull?
    Because you force them to miss content. That is an active choice you make to the detriment of others. Waiting is passive
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    Van Arn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harriks View Post
    Because you force them to miss content. That is an active choice you make to the detriment of others. Waiting is passive
    Nobody misses content, though. You get to fight the boss, they get to watch their cutscene, and next time they get to fight the boss without the cutscene.
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    Azuri Aeru
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harriks View Post
    Because you force them to miss content. That is an active choice you make to the detriment of others. Waiting is passive
    Raidwide, three autos and tankbuster isn't "content".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harriks View Post
    Because you force them to miss content. That is an active choice you make to the detriment of others. Waiting is passive
    Last time I checked, pulling does not automatically skip people's cutscenes. Unless you mean that they miss a raidwide and maybe a textbox of dialogue, which honestly doesn't even count as content.

    If we were still in the days of not being able to join a fight after the arena seals I would agree with you, however, we are not in those times anymore.
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