Alliance Raids and players not waiting for Cutscene Watchers

[YukikoKurosawa]

If you were my tank and deliberately let the DPS die because they were slightly ahead and grabbed mobs simply to get the ball rolling, I'd initiate the Vote Kick on you long before them because you're the only actually griefing in this hypothetical. The DRG running ahead to get Hi-Jump on CD so they can go into Nastrond immediately once the mobs are all gathered up didn't cause the wipe. In fact, they were attempting to make things easier on both of us by killing mobs faster. You, on the other hand, did. Granted, in this scenario, I'd slap a heal on them to ensure they live. It's actually quite satisfying when a tank throws a tantrum over someone else pulling the same mob they were already going to pull a second faster only for the DPS and healer to promptly show how unnecessary a small pulling tank actually is.

Don't cite toxicity and a lack of respect then proceed to act toxic and disrespectful yourself. It really doesn't help your argument.

It's not the dps's job to pull mobs. If a dps is constantly rushing ahead and pulling things that's extremely annoying as the tank to deal with. It's actually hilarious how some of you are suggesting outright toxic and antisocial behavior, even justifying it with selfish rationals, then trying to paint me and anyone else who has a problem with your behavior as the bad guys. Nobody is forcing you to pull ahead of a tank. Nobody is forcing you to pull when someone is watching a cutscene. That's where you entire demented argument falls apart. You would have perhaps some shred of a point otherwise, but since you yourselves are intentionally pulling mobs when it's not your role, pulling bosses when you KNOW someone is in a cutscene (even if that someone is a healer), then complaining when someone doesn't support your actions, you don't get to cite TOS and trying to have those people banned, it's actually psychotic that you think that's an appropriate response to people not supporting your own godawful behavior.

Nobody. Forced. You. To. Pull. Early. Get that through your thick skulls because you cannot say "WTF this guy didn't help me when I was fighting the boss while they were in a cutscene or even make sure they were ready and not even AFK, TOS TOS TOS TOS TOS TOS". You are creating a problem, something goes wrong, then you blame people upset by your own godawful actions for the problem you created.

You people tried to moralize me and others over this entire topic, then come and say "actually I just play for myself IDGAF about other people's experiences yet I still expect everyone else to respect mine". You just lost the entire plot. But go ahead and do that, see how that actually works out for you in game. From my experience, outside alliance raids as I said already, it doesn't work out for you too well.

[MilkieTea]

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You might want to analyze yourself, your stance is hypocritical, because you are also, playing for yourself and do not care about others experiences, yet you still expect everyone to respect yours.

Edit: also, YPYT is against ToS ^-^

[aveyond-dreams]

Why are you as a tank not making sure to make use of sprint and to stay ahead of dps so that everyone can use their kit to the fullest potential? Anyone can pull even if they are not a tank-its the tank's job to maintain aggro and for the healer to keep whoever is taking damage alive. In any case the progression in tone over the course of this thread is quite insightful.

Again, never underestimate what experienced players are able to pull off single-handedly, alliance raid, dungeon, or otherwise.

[AnnRam]

If you were my tank and deliberately let the DPS die because they were slightly ahead and grabbed mobs simply to get the ball rolling, I'd initiate the Vote Kick on you long before them because you're the only actually griefing in this hypothetical. The DRG running ahead to get Hi-Jump on CD so they can go into Nastrond immediately once the mobs are all gathered up didn't cause the wipe. In fact, they were attempting to make things easier on both of us by killing mobs faster. You, on the other hand, did. Granted, in this scenario, I'd slap a heal on them to ensure they live. It's actually quite satisfying when a tank throws a tantrum over someone else pulling the same mob they were already going to pull a second faster only for the DPS and healer to promptly show how unnecessary a small pulling tank actually is.

Don't cite toxicity and a lack of respect then proceed to act toxic and disrespectful yourself. It really doesn't help your argument.

x2.

Typical idiotic and immature attitude " if you pull it first you tank it" , it takes one skill to fully grab aggro again.

[Saraide]

It's not the dps's job to pull mobs. If a dps is constantly rushing ahead and pulling things that's extremely annoying as the tank to deal with. It's actually hilarious how some of you are suggesting outright toxic and antisocial behavior, even justifying it with selfish rationals, then trying to paint me and anyone else who has a problem with your behavior as the bad guys. Nobody is forcing you to pull ahead of a tank. Nobody is forcing you to pull when someone is watching a cutscene. That's where you entire demented argument falls apart. You would have perhaps some shred of a point otherwise, but since you yourselves are intentionally pulling mobs when it's not your role, pulling bosses when you KNOW someone is in a cutscene (even if that someone is a healer), then complaining when someone doesn't support your actions, you don't get to cite TOS and trying to have those people banned, it's actually psychotic that you think that's an appropriate response to people not supporting your own godawful behavior.

Nobody. Forced. You. To. Pull. Early. Get that through your thick skulls because you cannot say "WTF this guy didn't help me when I was fighting the boss while they were in a cutscene or even make sure they were ready and not even AFK, TOS TOS TOS TOS TOS TOS". You are creating a problem, something goes wrong, then you blame people upset by your own godawful actions for the problem you created.

You people tried to moralize me and others over this entire topic, then come and say "actually I just play for myself IDGAF about other people's experiences yet I still expect everyone else to respect mine". You just lost the entire plot. But go ahead and do that, see how that actually works out for you in game. From my experience, outside alliance raids as I said already, it doesn't work out for you too well.

Not sure where you learned to tank (if at all) but having a group of mobs already aggro'd makes it easier to grab aggro yourself because they are already closing in and therefore less spread out.

[Saraide]

Why are you as a tank not making sure to make use of sprint and to stay ahead of dps so that everyone can use their kit to the fullest potential? Anyone can pull even if they are not a tank-its the tank's job to maintain aggro and for the healer to keep whoever is taking damage alive. In any case the progression in tone over the course of this thread is quite insightful.

Again, never underestimate what experienced players are able to pull off single-handedly, alliance raid, dungeon, or otherwise.

I'm a tank who wants to pull things myself and for that reason I try to be the first one to activate sprint and just generally stay ahead of everyone. It's that easy.

[ErryK]

I can only hope they start implementing a Prae type approach and make the cutscenes unskippable. People in here act like it is the end of the world. You were new once and I know that some people out there have mental disorders such as OCD where missing part of the fight would cause them stress. That person would need to do the fight again to get the full experience. Because of your impatience, now they have to run a 30-45 minute raid again because you are too selfish to take your 2 minute bio break in your jar during the CS.

i'm convinced you're a troll at this point but in any case a) pseudoscience b) you take 30-45 minutes to run syrcus tower? and c) ew, that's unhygienic af.

[MilkieTea]

i'm convinced you're a troll at this point but in any case a) pseudoscience b) you take 30-45 minutes to run syrcus tower? and c) ew, that's unhygienic af.

You should have a laugh at some of their replies to me ahah. Also, yeah... Syrcus Tower takes like 10-15 mins...

[YukikoKurosawa]

OP mentioned about the only insults they see being thrown are one way

You completely fabricated this statement.

[Vahlnir]

You should have a laugh at some of their replies to me ahah. Also, yeah... Syrcus Tower takes like 10-15 mins...

It would take maybe 12-16 minutes tops with unskippable cutscenes too, which is basically nothing.