FFXIV Has the Population to Support an ELO system for Duty Finder / Party Finder

[Driavna]

I'm genuinely curious why "Form a premade party" isn't a more reasonable and accessible solution to this supposed 'problem' in comparison to implementing an ELO system into a low-stakes PVE game.

Require effort, social skills and I guess we can argue that also require certain degree of compromise (if we are talking about premade with trusted players of course. A premade pug is still a pug, certain other MMO has filters/ranks and how good that run will go is still a coin toss). Click to do X is just that convenient compare to anything else.

[Caurcas]

I support this OP, good idea.

[Rhais]

We don't support the Electric Light Orchestra in this house

Don't bring me down

[VirusOnline]

Call of Duty Finder

We have ascended.

[Poporito_Popoto]

You're idea is terrible and you should feel bad.

[AbysmalDuck]

Call of Duty Finder

We have ascended.

More like Rainbow Six Finder.

[Thi]

Require effort, social skills and I guess we can argue that also require certain degree of compromise (if we are talking about premade with trusted players of course. A premade pug is still a pug, certain other MMO has filters/ranks and how good that run will go is still a coin toss). Click to do X is just that convenient compare to anything else.

All of this, and the fact the hardest boss of all when doing pre-made is lining up everyone schedules. As for a PF pug, your most likely going to get a group just like you did if you just did DF.

[Saimeren]

And what if I'm crap at the game but still want to play with my friends who are better than me who are willing to put up with my subpar gameplay?

In your scenario it would be "screw that, make new friends".

[Vahlnir]

How about...

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No.

[Sacred-Oblivion]

'Toxic Casuals' are casual players that choose to significantly value their personal experience over contributing to their team. This usually manifests in refusal to learn their role/job at endgame, AFKing in content, griefing, using 'alternative playstyles' and just generally having a really bad attitude when they're questioned or don't get their way. They exist, but they're not as common as people on the forums tend to believe.

Are you confusing "refusal to learn" with "refusal to optimize"? I have been playing regularly since March 2020 and have never encountered an endgame player who did not know how to play their role. It's fine if someone isn't playing optimally in duty finder content, and if you think it isn't then that's a failing on your end. It doesn't matter if you have to spend an extra 5-10 minutes in content because some people aren't playing optimally. Toxic casualism is a myth elitists use to try and stigmatize healthy people who don't take video games seriously. AFKing in content and griefing are what trolls do, not casual players. And I don't even know what 'alternative playstyles' means.

Unhealthy people who take this game seriously (i.e., "elites"), are the only people I see spewing toxicity. They get upset when things don't go their way, as if anything that happens in the game matters.