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    Player
    Thi's Avatar
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    Thi L'iun
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    Adamantoise
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    Machinist Lv 90

    FFXIV Has the Population to Support an ELO system for Duty Finder / Party Finder

    This games biggest issue that there are huge differences in the playstyle of players and they are forced to group with each other unless you go in a pre-made.

    What I propose is to bring in an ELO system to this game that ranks your individual performance and groups you with similar players.
    • If you are an optimizer and play your job at peak performance? You get grouped with other people of the same mindset.
    • If you are competent and can keep your GCD rolling? (and thus above average sadly) You get grouped with similar players who also do the same.
    • If you don't care about combat and just want to play the game? You get to play with all the other people with the same mindset.

    To be fair in this system everyone would start at the middle and would go up or down based on individual performance in duties per role.

    After some time, the player base is sorted out and Elitists and Toxic Casuals will never have to interact with each other again.

    As an extra bonus you could set your Party Finder to only allow Rank x-x to preemptively filter and make less trap parties in PF.
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    DBriggs304's Avatar
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    Fu Soya
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    Excalibur
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    Red Mage Lv 55
    Nah. Definitely not needed here.
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    Lynne Asteria
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    Jenova
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    Viper Lv 100
    That sounds terrible.

    This isn't a pvp competitive game. Keep your weird rankings out of it.
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    Kenoh'tan Desaali
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    Mateus
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    Monk Lv 90
    It might have the population, but does FFXIV have the back-end for it? Its hard enough getting them to add more inventory slots and things, and Exploration Mode for duties was apparently enough of a hassle they could only do it for some the first time around. In my experience the DF is one of those systems that I think just works the way it is intended and messing around with it might be more trouble than its worth to the devs which is why so far they've done more tinkering with the actual instances themselves.
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    Lil Imp
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    Goblin
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Yoshida has pretty much explicitly stated that mixing users of different skill levels is an intentional design choice, as it helps to smooth out the 'average' run in DF content. They'd have to pretty much completely reverse their thinking to even consider a system like this. I tend to agree with SE's outlook on the matter, as the idea of gatekeeping or creating elite queues for extremely low-risk content is honestly extremely silly. Just make some friends and play with a premade.
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    Michieltjuhh's Avatar
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    Alhiri Visili
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    Louisoix
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    Yoshida has pretty much explicitly stated that mixing users of different skill levels is an intentional design choice, as it helps to smooth out the 'average' run in DF content. They'd have to pretty much completely reverse their thinking to even consider a system like this. I tend to agree with SE's outlook on the matter, as the idea of gatekeeping or creating elite queues for extremely low-risk content is honestly extremely silly. Just make some friends and play with a premade.
    That statement just rubs me the wrong way. Pretty much reads as "we match good players who put in effort to finish the content with bad players who would hardly be able to do it, so that the good player will have a miserable experience and the bad player won't have to improve while enjoying a free carry." The content isn't hard - it's an absolute joke, but I do die a little inside every time I get Dead Ends from Expert roulette and watch them all flail around like they've never seen a computer/console before, just knowing that they'd be in there for 30+ minutes if I wasn't working for 4.

    Making friends works, until they all quit since the only new content added to the game is to the cash shop in a subscription based pay-up-front game.
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    Derio Uzumaki
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    This is a community about lifting eachother up, not segregating the community.
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    Aylin Bielawska
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    Adamantoise
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    This is a community about lifting eachother up, not segregating the community.



    I don't think ELO is necessary for this game, but I can see why someone might want to have it. Sometimes, you want to see how you stack up vs. other players, or just have a greater chance that you get matched with similarly "skilled" (maybe?) players, and this would just be another way to give players that. Considering the "spaghetti code," this would have to be implemented as a separate system, so we'd likely get something like "Duty Finder (ranked)."
    Harassment notwithstanding (and being completely un-allowed, may God help you if you think you can get away with even mentioning such a thing in conversation in-game), it would be a feature looked at primarily by certain kinds of players while most others ignore it, and, unless it offered some kind of reward for doing them (which it likely would not offer any particular reward), I can safely say that I would be in the front yard of my FC Estate, continuing to perfect the angle of my postbox for the 14th time.
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    Misplaced_Marbles's Avatar
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    Violent Saviour
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    Omega
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    This is a community about picking up the slack for those who are too distracted by one thing or another to play.
    Fixed that for you.
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    Ophianne Qel'llann
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    Brynhildr
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    If you're just rolling roulettes, theres no need for something like this. Newer people very often learn from the experienced types...and honestly communication solves more of the issues than gear would.

    If someone is actually being toxic thats what kick function is for.
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