New SMN is a mind-numbingly boring one-button job

[WhimsicalPacifist]

My thoughts: there's not really a high point to summoner that makes you think "Yay, I worked for this and am getting rewarded!" like the end of Black Mage's rotation or Red Mage. Nothing where you might save up resources for a big payout with raid buffs. It's more "I exist and am pressing Searing Light/Demi on cooldown" regardless of what the raid does. It's probably one of the last jobs that you'd get Dance-Partnered on and highly problematic if trying to shift the burst window around to align with boss phase changes.

[Xiaoki]

I am fully aware when new jobs are released, and I do play BLM occasionally. What I would like are the options every other role enjoys more of a variety of now, and fully expect such an option in 7.0.

Why are you even posting? Just to try to get a dig at someone? Is your response to everyone with a grievance to tell them to uninstall? If your posting gimmick is a ruder Aveyond kindly don't post instead.

I can post whatever I want. If you don't like what I'm saying that's your fault.

You wanted options, I'm just saying what options are available to you.

Like the option of whining and complaining on the forums every day for years to come about how your favorite class was changed.
Then when the next expansion comes out you'll hope that maybe they heard you and will revert all the bad bad changes .... but there will be no reversion and it's back to whining and complaining every day.

[tearagion]

I can post whatever I want. If you don't like what I'm saying that's your fault.

You wanted options, I'm just saying what options are available to you.

Like the option of whining and complaining on the forums every day for years to come about how your favorite class was changed.
Then when the next expansion comes out you'll hope that maybe they heard you and will revert all the bad bad changes .... but there will be no reversion and it's back to whining and complaining every day.

Yeah yeah, same old song and dance, deflection galore. Don't care. I advised you not to post because that post contributed absolutely nothing, just like the one I'm replying to. I really don't see the point in trying to shut down the opinions of your fellow player, perhaps you could enlighten me as to your motivation?

More assumptions too. I don't ask for a revert because it'll never happen. I just want more casting variety as it's a particularly destitute role now that SMN plays like a Physranged. What better way to make my desires as a committed player known to the developers (who are stated to be in some capacity observing all language official forums) than post on the official forums?

[smol_cofe]

me 2 me also luv new smn cuz 1 button cast gud titan go boom

lmfao...i'm nearly crying

[CKNovel]

Let's regroup arguments we have.

Those who finds SMN boring:
-Blatant lack of buttons
-Can't delay anything or suffer a big DPS loss.
-Carbuncle buff bad
-Rotation is lackluster until lv86.
-Job shouldn't be reverted but expanded upon, just more than MCH and DRK.

Those who wants to keep SMN as it is:
-Rydia had Bio but it doesn't counts.
-Youtube likes
-Claims that those complaining about SMN are the minority (burden of proof unfulfilled for now)
-The other side is a whiny baby.
-The other side is attacking me and antagonizing me.
-The other side are elitist that only wants a revert and dots.
-The job rework is good for new players and accessible.

Based on what we have, I can safely say that SMN deserves more complexity while remaining accessible.
Which should be quite easy.

If I'm wrong about the claims, let me know.

[aveyond-dreams]

The fact that once again you've brought up the topic of a one-off spell that was made redundant and forgotten about in the later levels of FFIV and the refusal to acknowledge the wave of positive sentiments not just on Youtube but across the entirety of social media concerning the rework isn't helping the case of these "complexity!" lovers who feel so betrayed over the rework.

The reason why people have lost their patience with this crowd stems from their explicitly elitist attitude because (and they've admitted as much) they liked the fact that they were able to manouver around the bugs and glitches of old SMN and considered themselves masters of a "complex!" job in doing so. The alleged complexity remains a matter of opinion because otherwise the job was considered by others to be a boring warlock clone with not a whole lot going on besides its spinning plates. It also has to do with the fact that they've been complaining about this for the past several months while in game...people are just chilling and having fun.

This is the only bastion where this crowd has any sort of voice left, because they've exhausted the patience of people on all other sites. In any case the combination of general hostility/"enthusiasm" and ungrateful tone often seen in their feedback fails to convince me of their merit and probably has failed to convince the devs of the value of this cause. I think somewhere along the way they forgot the target audience to capture was them, instead of chasing likes from their own crowd with gotcha points and hot takes.

The next job changes patch is coming next week. By this point they will probably have decided what they want to do with Summoner. If they do something horrendous like adding Bio or Miasma back then consider me and everyone else who loathed poison mage Summoner gone. I'll go back to Black Mage and Red Mage and proceed to ignore Summoner for the next 2 years just like how I decided to do after the class drained me of energy and patience back in Shadowbringers after only a few weeks of battling against its controls. If they add a few more ogcds or charges of aetherflow, great. If things stay the same, that's also great. Because now when it comes to Summoner the devs no longer answer exclusively to a niche crowd, they answer to the general public.

[Reinha]

They fixed bow mage. They'll fix this too if people keep voicing their dissatisfaction.

[aveyond-dreams]

If you think that new SMN is as problematic as bow mage then I think you need to take another read of the mood in game. Back in the bow mage days I remember refusing to even turn on Wanderer's Minuet and Gauss Barrel completely because I simply refused to engage in that kind of gameplay before abandoning both jobs entirely and playing Black Mage that expansion.

The two situations are nowhere near the same.

[zcrash970]

If you think that new SMN is as problematic as bow mage then I think you need to take another read of the mood in game. Back in the bow mage days I remember refusing to even turn on Wanderer's Minuet and Gauss Barrel completely because I simply refused to engage in that kind of gameplay before abandoning both jobs entirely and playing Black Mage that expansion.

The two situations are nowhere near the same.

So not only are you a troll but a bad player as well. Let me guess, you only use ice spells as well?

[CKNovel]

If you think that new SMN is as problematic as bow mage then I think you need to take another read of the mood in game. Back in the bow mage days I remember refusing to even turn on Wanderer's Minuet and Gauss Barrel completely because I simply refused to engage in that kind of gameplay before abandoning both jobs entirely and playing Black Mage that expansion.

The two situations are nowhere near the same.

Here's a solution:
We get the dot or extra buttons and you just have to refuse using them.

If you could do that for WM/GB, there is no doubt you can do it for mere dots.