Clown outfit yet viera+hroth can't wear the NOSE? Are you serious right now?

[SturmChurro]

This was the thread that made me realize how numb I am to people complaining about this. Whether or not I agree aside, I’m just so numb to the disappointment/outrage/talk in general about it.

That's because this has been the same cycle going on for the past over two and a half years. Every time they release an event with headgear, or just more headgear in general, a thread (or several) will pop up, and the same thoughts or arguments are made over and over and over. That doesn't mean people shouldn't complain however, as SE seems intent on releasing event rewards that a portion of the playerbase can't even use - with no alternatives.

[Avidria]

I don't even like or want the clown nose but I'm just smh at this point lmao
Disappointed but not surprised

[TyagoDakwhin]

If one guy on twitter can do it for free within 24 hours of it going live, why can't SE design their content with Viera/Hroth in mind?

[SturmChurro]

I don't think it's about the number of hairstyles they need to modify, though – more likely a base level thing that means any hairstyle will not work.

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That said, if it really is a permanent technical hurdle, I wish they'd come out and say so instead of leaving people asking every time. But it doesn't seem to be their way of handling things.

Frankly, they need to fix it, or come up with alternatives that do not exclude thousands of their playerbase. Viera/hrothgar don't even get many hairs to offset it. It's ridiculous, in my opinion. Yes, they should come out and say exactly what the issue is, unfortunately even if they could fix it, I think it's really just a matter of priority and effort for them.

[Lieri]

If you are angery, why not become the real thing to take out your frustration? apply for a job at McDonalds and become Ronald McDonald.

[LauraAdalena]

That's because this has been the same cycle going on for the past over two and a half years. Every time they release an event with headgear, or just more headgear in general, a thread (or several) will pop up, and the same thoughts or arguments are made over and over and over. That doesn't mean people shouldn't complain however, as SE seems intent on releasing event rewards that a portion of the playerbase can't even use - with no alternatives.

I think I’d be more upset personally if any of the ones I’ve seen people complain about when I see these looked good at all. Like the NewYears hats always look atrocious to me, and as someone who loathes clowns THANK GOD not all the races can wear the nose. Just as an example. But yeah, they’re allowed to and I’m allowed to express I’m numb to it and bump the thread up to keep it relevant to help them out because why not. I mean if they get what they want it means I see less of these am I right? Win win.

[Shiro--Tsubasa]

At least we can use the clown make-up. Just like the clowns we are for playing Viera/Hroth.

[Ath192]

They need to redo the graphics engine, character creator, glamour system and address all character inconsistencies in one fell swoop. I hope they announce this soon.

[wereotter]

I don't think it's anything to do with specific system limitations, but the fundamental design of how characters are assembled. Whatever trickery they had to do to implement their vision of Viera and Hrothgar, it involved sacrificing the ability to equip hats as normal – and judging from what does and doesn't work, specifically sacrificing the ability to split the hairstyle into upper and lower halves.

If it is something inextricably linked to the design, they may not be able to fix it at all, or not without altering some visible part of the character appearance.

If they can't overcome that specific issue and don't want to forcibly alter everyone's existing character to fix it, then for the time being until and unless (and if it's realistically possible for them to implement) a full rework of the character design system, this type of headwear may never be able to work at a technical level that no amount of "it's a special hat that everyone deserves equally" can overcome.

Maybe they'll find a solution to the hair issues and then we'll see a flood of hats working normally. But until we see at least one, any expectation of whether a hat works or not is entirely down to its design and not its origin.

It might be hair related... though I'm not sure

I remember them saying before Endwalker came out that the way they designed male viera, they didn't have the same limitations as they did when they made females, probably in regard to head shapes. Yet here we are with the males having the same restrictions as the females when it comes to equippable gear (though that might also just be to avoid the backlash of upset female players unable to have certain equipment show on them that can show on the males)

Also there are certain items already that kind of just ignore your hair, and tuck it all up into the hat regardless of what your actual hairstyle is. So I'm more inclined to wonder if this has to do with the ears themselves. I can see certain hats working with the upright ears, but would run into clipping issues if you picked to have flop ears. And still other hats, like certain tophats, where the ears wouldn't stick out from the brim, but instead should poke out through the top of an already tall hat.

[Alpheus]

That's not a race-specific issue, at least at a basic "it happens sometimes" level. My Midlander's feet clip through long skirts as well.

It occurs pretty often for a number of mage gear as a Roegadyn, you are right that it isn't a Roe specific thing but the fact they insist on making robes it pops up more often for a healer/caster main Roe like me, I'd wear more skirts if it didn't seem really aggravated of an issue on a Roe. That is a minor issue tho compared to the other Roe stuff i listed, like parts of my pants clipping weirdly (sinking in) or accessories pulsating as i breathe, sinking and rising through my Roe's skin and the way certain boots and shoes aren't shaped properly, some footwear looks like my legs/feet lose body mass depending on the gear, which I understand why that happens as they're basically lego pieces in a sense but the variance is far too wide and it can throw the whole glam off. I'll shut my yap tho as this isn't the thread for it. Ty though for your kind attention to reply to my initial message.

Edit: In fairness to the Devs though and especially the graphics team they have gotten better at fitting stuff on roes, it's just a shame they can't go back and adjust earlier gear that i like the look of to bring that in line. For example teh 90 BRD AF coat is something I was expecting to clip as I ran in the boots I tend to prefer on the classes that have them, but I'm pleasantly surprised that my feet don't clip through it as I run.