Its a shame Paladins have to be tanks. I understand.

[Kolsykol]

Tanking single pulls is boring, and healing single pulls is boring. As long as you cycle through cooldowns, there is no reason to be afraid of wall to wall pulls if not at least 2 packs per pull.

I agree, altho DPS and Healers that go out of their way to pull even when I am pulling wall to wall still annoys the hell out of me and if I am in a bad mood it has made me leave before.
I tank fast, but some people act like hyperbolic children who are high on sugar and use every tool to rush in and pull ahead of you including bosses when the Healer is behind or even afk.

I think there is a middle ground, it's true that double/ wall to wall pulls are considered the standard in FFXIV.
However...
I still think that the tank sets the pace and if you want to set the pace then play a tank, and to some extent how good/ bad the healer is also sets the pace which in the end of the day the responsibility also falls on the tank to feel the healer out.
It's not the dps job to feel the healer out it's just safer and cleaner for everyone if the tank is in charge of pulling.

Tanks who pull 1 pack at a time or don't use sprint etc when they clearly can pull more tho, I don't think it's rly wrong to pull more so long as you bring the mobs to the tank and don't run in circles forcing them to chase you.
It's not polite and I don't generally do it, but it's more understandable.
But I've tanked on and off since the start and I do find that the kids on energy drinks and sugar who play dps sometimes are incredibly annoying and makes tanking more of a hassle than it needs to be.

Ultimately it's the tanks job and responsibility to pull.
And there are things an even just okay tank should be paying attention to that most dps don't seem to pay attention to.
I've had plenty of times where the Healer went afk without saying anything ( or DC ) and the hyperbolic dps aren't paying attention at all and just sprints into the pack.
In 9 out of 10 cases there is no reason why the dps should be pulling, it's very rare I see dps pulling in a way that is actually justified imo.

[Sacred-Oblivion]

As long as the tank establishes dominance at the beginning of the run, most dps will know their place and will be obedient. Though every now and then you'll still get someone who needs to be put back in their place.

A dps is running ahead and pulling? Let them die. A dps is whining in the chat? Tell them to shut up or leave. My favorite scenario is when everyone except the tank dies to the boss. A good tank will solo the boss until the end no matter how much HP is left in order to teach the dps how "valuable" their time really is. However, it's acceptable to die voluntarily to restart the fight as a courtesy to the healer if you'd like.

Good tanks couldn't care less about the dps because they are at the bottom of the pecking order. It goes: dps < trash < bosses < healers < tanks. Keeping dps in their place makes it much less likely that they'll be toxic in future runs, and helps to create a healthier gaming environment for everyone.

[Jybril]

As long as the tank establishes dominance at the beginning of the run, most dps will know their place and will be obedient. Though every now and then you'll still get someone who needs to be put back in their place.

Sir, this is MOST DEFINITELY A WENDY'S...
The BDSM club is the next block over...

[BaconBits]

As long as the tank establishes dominance at the beginning of the run, most dps will know their place and will be obedient. Though every now and then you'll still get someone who needs to be put back in their place.

A dps is running ahead and pulling? Let them die. A dps is whining in the chat? Tell them to shut up or leave. My favorite scenario is when everyone except the tank dies to the boss. A good tank will solo the boss until the end no matter how much HP is left in order to teach the dps how "valuable" their time really is. However, it's acceptable to die voluntarily to restart the fight as a courtesy to the healer if you'd like.

Good tanks couldn't care less about the dps because they are at the bottom of the pecking order. It goes: dps < trash < bosses < healers < tanks. Keeping dps in their place makes it much less likely that they'll be toxic in future runs, and helps to create a healthier gaming environment for everyone.

All those words just to tell everyone you have a terrible attitude.

Small pp and possibly fatherless behavior if I'm being honest.

[Rinhi]

lmfao bacon, you're playing a dangerous game lately

[BaconBits]

lmfao bacon, you're playing a dangerous game lately

What are they gonna do, ban me?

[Rinhi]

yes, please don't get banned

[KariTheFox]

As long as the tank establishes dominance at the beginning of the run, most dps will know their place and will be obedient. Though every now and then you'll still get someone who needs to be put back in their place.

A dps is running ahead and pulling? Let them die.

I prefer to throw heart of corondum+aurora on them to let them absorb the first couple autoattacks from the pack they just pulled, before catching up and peeling the mobs off of them.
But I guess I'm weird and care more about actually finishing dungeons than establishing my "tanking dominance" (lol).

[ReynTime]

As long as the tank establishes dominance at the beginning of the run, most dps will know their place and will be obedient. Though every now and then you'll still get someone who needs to be put back in their place.

A dps is running ahead and pulling? Let them die. A dps is whining in the chat? Tell them to shut up or leave. My favorite scenario is when everyone except the tank dies to the boss. A good tank will solo the boss until the end no matter how much HP is left in order to teach the dps how "valuable" their time really is. However, it's acceptable to die voluntarily to restart the fight as a courtesy to the healer if you'd like.

Good tanks couldn't care less about the dps because they are at the bottom of the pecking order. It goes: dps < trash < bosses < healers < tanks. Keeping dps in their place makes it much less likely that they'll be toxic in future runs, and helps to create a healthier gaming environment for everyone.

This post made this topic worth revisiting.

[Laphicet]

What are they gonna do, ban me?

As someone who's been tempbanned twice, once for flying off the handle at someone who floods the SMN threads with trolling and poor arguments and the other time for pointing out dev hypocrisy for delaying the expac over lore issues when they completely disregard healer lore.

Yes, they will ban you. For a week probably.